Knight's POTD 02-18-2007

[Nathon Detroit]

Communism is a direct consequence of atheism. They go together like peanut butter and jelly.

Of course I don't think all atheists are monsters, but by the very nature of what they stand for -- or don't stand for -- they often can't help themselves because they simply do not have a moral backdrop. It happens all over. The prisons certainly are not full with born-again Christians. They're bursting at the seem with villains who are infected with moral brain-rot. Of course there are exceptions but generally people who commit violent crimes are lost people.....likewise countries whos people commit wide-spread heinous, immoral, murderous acts are also non-Christian and spiritually lost.

So the question is...why do communists/atheists/non-Christians murder so many people?????


http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM


II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.


In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987.

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[DoogieTalons]

With respect Knight, how is this post of the day ?

The very first sentance is wrong on so many levels.

"Communism is a direct consequence of atheism."

It just isn't. It's obvious for all to see the word "consequence" renders the whole post asinine.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

With respect Knight, how is this post of the day ?

The very first sentance is wrong on so many levels.

"Communism is a direct consequence of atheism."

It just isn't. It's obvious for all to see the word "consequence" renders the whole post asinine.

You are free to be wrong.

 

[JoyfulRook]

With respect Knight, how is this post of the day ?

The very first sentance is wrong on so many levels.

"Communism is a direct consequence of atheism."

It just isn't. It's obvious for all to see the word "consequence" renders the whole post asinine.

In other words,

"Communism has Only Killed 100 Million People. Let's Give it Another Chance!"

 

[DoogieTalons]

Indeed, fair point, as are we all.

If I could ask so I may understand your reasoning.

Do you personally believe Communism is a Consequence of Atheism ?

If so how would you say Atheism cause Communism

I would say a Communist state needs to create an Atheist population,(or at least a population prepared to deny their god to survive) where possible, to install it's own values in the place of religion. But if for example an Atheist State could arise naturally it would not be communist by nature.

Saying "Communism is a direct consequence of atheism" is a kin to saying "Fire is a consequence of wood."

I think it's an intelligently unsound argument.

Regards

Rob

 

[Nathon Detroit]

Do you personally believe Communism is a Consequence of Atheism ?

I would say atheism is ONE OF the causes communism.

Therefore YES, I could rightly state, Communism is A consequence of Atheism

 

[DoogieTalons]

I will respectfuly agree to dissagree with you. You can POTD any post you like regardless of motive or justification.

I think it is not a Cause of Communism but a Need of a Communist state.

An Athiest may be driven to set up a communist state but I don't believe Atheism is the root cause of this drive, as Atheism has no Athiests handbook to follow to create a communist regime.

I would say that those responsible for setting up a communist state need to drive out the traditional religous values to continue with their plans. This is the cause of most of the deaths listed, an ethnic cleansing of those with the courage to stand.

I am sure many a christian or jew has had to hide their faith or face slaughter to fit in with the state rules. This is sad, as I am not Anti-Religion, just not religous.

also there are no definitions of Communism that actualy include Atheism as a cause.

Regards

Rob

 

[Delmar]

In other words,

"Communism has Only Killed 100 Million People. Let's Give it Another Chance!"

That number sounds low to me.