Jill Stanek tells of evidence for modern day vampires

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Jill Stanek tells of evidence for modern day vampires

Friday May 12th, 2006. This is show # 95.

PERTINENT QUOTE OF THE SHOW:
For 33 years the abortion industry vampires have lived off the highest volume of innocent human blood in world history. We're talking 45 million babies and counting - 3500 are added to that number every day.
BEST QUOTE OF THE SHOW:
If [pro aborts] come up and they object to your [bloody, graphic antiabortion] signs, you just mention Emmett Till. And it really sets them back because they're very supportive of using that graphic imagery to show a social wrong. And now their hypocrisy comes out when they don't want people to see what it is they support - the killing of a child.
Summary:
* The Greek Orthodox Church is distributing flyers Sunday stating that the Da Vinci Code from a "historical point of view... is wholly false" and Tom Hanks takes Christians for fools claiming his movie can do no harm.
* Public high school vice principal charged with sexual misconduct with students, while twelve students are suspended for sexually assaulting their second-grade classmate, while self-reported oral sex among teen girls more than doubled (since Clinton's absurd denials), while an 11-year-old smoker and drinker became a mom in England.
* WorldNetDaily columnist Jill Stanek has found evidence of real life vampires on the Northern Kentucky University!
* Our word goodbye comes from the phrase "God be with you."
* Christians will join Quinn from Indiana protesting at a local woman's book signing of her recent pornography publication.
* Atheist Forest is back for more, and specifically criticizes Bob over statements he made years ago about the minimal lunar dust on the moon, and also for asserting that various people hate God, which Forest claimed that not only does he not hate God (nor Bob for that matter), but that he has never seen evidence that anyone hates God.
On Atheists Hating God: In reply, Bob asked Forest to read the email he had recently sent to BEL, which Forest read using the most gentle tone, his own words predicting and hoping that Bob's wife and children would soon abandon him, vulgarity, etc., which Bob thinks should demonstrate that Forest exhibits visceral hatred, but is unable to objectively assess even his own emotions.
On Moon Dust: As evidence of NASA's unnecessary worry that billions of years of settling dust on the moon might prevent a successful landing, Bob mentioned the NASA Surveyor Program, about which, Wikipedia states, "Before this project, it was unknown how deep the dust on the moon was. If the dust was too deep, then no astronaut could land." When this was described to him, Forest said, "I don't believe that that's even a fact," although he seems to have relented on this denial later. NASA's fear was eventually alleviated, and as of this summary, we're unsure whether that fear had totally disappeared during the design stage of the "feet" of manned Lunar Lander.
CORRECTION: On this show at 38:35, Bob repeated what may be a creationist urban legend that Neil Armstrong publicly spoke of his own concern about the amount of dust on the moon. But NASA's history, including the Surveyor missions, shows the organization had such a concern.
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And from the summary of our May 15, 2006 show: Can't See the Trees for the Forrest:

* Retired computer engineer Bob Ball from IN confirmed NASA's serious, though unnecessary, concern in the 60s of too much moon dust, which concern was promoted by Dr. Thomas Gold himself, the very man our caller Forrest had spoken to claiming that NASA had no such concern, especially not when they designed the Lunar Lander!
* So Forrest the atheist called in for more, and did not accept Bob Ball's report that Dr. Thomas Gold was the very astronomer who most promoted the unnecessary dust concern .
* Darrell of Goshen put the nail in the coffin of Forrest's doubt by quoting NASA's own website which states, "astronomer Thomas Gold asserted, however, that the apparently smooth areas on the moon were likely to be covered with a layer of fine dust several meters thick, raising the prospect that the lunar module might sink out of sight."
* NASA's own historical account concludes EXACTLY as Bob has been surmising on the air, ABSOLUTELY REFUTING FORREST'S FIRST SPECIFIC CRITICISM OF BOB, that the: "Spacecraft engineers at Houston's Manned Spacecraft Center, meanwhile, in spite of their real need for this information [how much dust] in designing the lunar landing module, had to go ahead without it." So as we suspected, the fear of deep moon dust was still in the minds of the engineers when they designed the Lunar Lander's feet, and NASA's own website falsifies Forrest's version of Dr. Gold's dusty past.
 
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Jefferson said:
On Moon Dust: As evidence of NASA's unnecessary worry that billions of years of settling dust on the moon might prevent a successful landing, Bob mentioned the NASA Surveyor Program, about which, Wikipedia states, "Before this project, it was unknown how deep the dust on the moon was. If the dust was too deep, then no astronaut could land." When this was described to him, Forest said, "I don't believe that that's even a fact," although he seems to have relented on this denial later. NASA's fear was eventually alleviated, and as of this summary, we're unsure whether that fear had totally disappeared during the design stage of the "feet" of manned Lunar Lander.
CORRECTION: On this show at 38:35, Bob repeated what may be a creationist urban legend that Neil Armstrong publicly spoke of his own concern about the amount of dust on the moon. But NASA's history, including the Surveyor missions, shows the organization had such a concern.
From Answers in Genisis "Arguments that Creationists should not use" page
AIG said:
Moon-Dust thickness proves a young moon’. For a long time, creationists claimed that the dust layer on the moon was too thin if dust had truly been falling on it for billions of years. They based this claim on early estimates—by evolutionists—of the influx of moon dust, and worries that the moon landers would sink into this dust layer. But these early estimates were wrong, and by the time of the Apollo landings, NASA was not worried about sinking. So the dust layer thickness can’t be used as proof of a young moon (or of an old one either). See also Moon Dust and the Age of the Solar System (Technical).
I wonder if Bob is aware of this, seems he should be seein as he's had the AIG people on before.
 

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fool said:
From Answers in Genisis "Arguments that Creationists should not use" page

I wonder if Bob is aware of this, seems he should be seein as he's had the AIG people on before.
I've read that article, andI got the impression through listening to the show that Bob is aware. Note even in the show summary that Bob emphasized that this was something he said "years ago."

Atheist Forest is back for more, and specifically criticizes Bob over statements he made years ago about the minimal lunar dust on the moon​
In other words, it's not something he's repeated in recent years.
 

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Turbo said:
I've read that article, andI got the impression through listening to the show that Bob is aware. Note even in the show summary that Bob emphasized that this was something he said "years ago."

Atheist Forest is back for more, and specifically criticizes Bob over statements he made years ago about the minimal lunar dust on the moon​
In other words, it's not something he's repeated in recent years.
I just listened to the show and that part never really got hashed out to clear, Forest is all over the place, Bob said he'd have more on the dust thing next week. Bob did say that I hate God. Forests' E-mail was pretty vicious.
 

Gerald

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Modern-day vampires.

I take it that Stanek is not referring to reanimated corpses that consume the blood of the living?
 

koban

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Gerald said:
Modern-day vampires.

I take it that Stanek is not referring to reanimated corpses that consume the blood of the living?


Leave my mother-in-law out of this! :sibbie:
 

hitek357

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I was born July 25, 1959. The Moon landing in question was July 20, 1969. (Right?) I remember the landing as well as anything that has happened in my life. The TV station I was watching carried commentary reminding us that one of NASA's fears was that the dust on the Moon might be so thick that the lunar lander would sink into it with nothing solid under it to set down on. I remember watching specifically to see whether that would happen. I was watching as the gray surface filled the view and grew blurry, and I could no longer judge the distance to the surface. I waited to see something horrible happen because they said something horrible might happen.
 

ThePhy

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I wouldn't think it was, as the scientist Forrest claims to have spoken to died two years ago.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/June04/Thomas_Gold_obit.hrs.html
From fool
Maybe he talked to him before he died.
From One Eyed Jack
Maybe he did, but that would have been two years ago at the very least.
I’m not certain this is the right guy. Listen carefully to the dialogue and Forrest identifies this “Dr. Thomas Gold” as being “one of the designers of the feet” (of the Lunar Lander). He also specifically identifies this Dr. Gold as being at the University of Vermont, in Burlington (at least at the time he spoke to him). I can find no one on the current faculty at the University of Vermont of that name.

On the web I do find numerous references to the Dr. Gold that died in 2004 that you are referencing (and is spoken of at the AIG website). But he was an astrophysicist who spoke about the amount of moon dust that might be found, and I find no indication that he was actually a member of any team designing lunar lander parts, nor that he had any affiliation with the University of Vermont.

I would be interested in touching base with Forrest, Bob’s call-in guest on this show (and the next show). Since he was in e-mail contact with Kgov, they must have his e-mail address. I would hope Knight (or someone else with close ties to Enyart) would kick off an e-mail to Forrest and ask him to PM me through TOL.
 
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