Jesus said, "Few There be that Find it" Matthew 7:14

Robert Pate

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This was taken from the parable about the strait gate and the broad way.

"Enter in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there be which go that way. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it" Matthew 7:13,14.

What is the broad way that leads to destruction and the strait gate that leads to life?

The broad way is the way of religion. The way must be broad to accommodate the multitudes that have chosen to go that way. Religion is the way of man. It is man centered. Religion is man's effort to please a holy God by what he has done or by what he has become. "Many will say to me on that day (judgment day) Lord, Lord, didn't we..., Matthew 7:22. Lord, Lord, didn't I become a Calvinist? Lord, Lord, didn't I join the Catholic church? They thought that salvation was all about them and what they did or what they had become.

The strait gate is Jesus Christ and his Gospel. Few there be that find it, because few there be that seek it. Truth must be sought. It is only given to those that seek it and receive it. When the Gospel is heard and believed, God gives his Holy Spirit to those that hear and believe it, Galatians 3:2. The Holy Spirit is also known as the "Spirit of Truth" John 14:17. It is the work of the Spirit to magnify and glorify the work of Christ, John 16:13-15.
 

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This was taken from the parable about the strait gate and the broad way.

"Enter in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there be which go that way. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it" Matthew 7:13,14.

... Few there be that find it, because few there be that seek it...
An often used, but misunderstood and cast as a shibboleth for anyone who thinks he or she has some special knowledge that the rest of us better pay attention to; all contrary to Rev. 7:9, of course. :AMR:

We should avoid two errors: first, that all men shall be saved; second, that only few men will be saved. The preponderance of Scripture teaches the universal spread and acceptance of the Gospel at some point in history. Folks with this view appeal to Matt. 7:13, 14; 20:16; 22:14; Luke 13:23, 24. The passages in Matthew 7 and Luke 13 are parallel passages and already contain much of the answer in their contexts.

Matthew, moreso than Luke, emphasizes the wideness of the way to destruction; Luke mentions only the narrow, or strait, gate. This is a warning contrasting Christianity with other approaches to God. The word translated "broad" in Matthew 7:13 means "spacious" or "roomy" and carries with it the idea of living comfortably and without troubles. The words "narrow" and "wide," describing the gates are relative terms.

In other words, these only derive meaning in contrast to one another. There are two paths, and the two gates, or doors, standing at the head of each, the straight and narrow and the comfortable and wide. In Luke's account, he uses the same word for "gate," as John uses in 10:9 to give a metaphorical description of Jesus, "door." So, Jesus is contrasting salvation through him with other paths of salvation. It is through much tribulation we enter the kingdom of God (Acts 14:22).

There are two other contrasting terms used in these passages, "many" and "few." Again, these are relative terms and give no real information as to the actual number of those saved. In Luke's account (which is the chronological Gospel, see Luke 1:3 and forward, he writes "in order"), this question is raised immediately after we are told that Jesus taught that the kingdom of God would fill the earth. Yet, at the time Jesus spoke, the church was still a "little flock" (Luke 12:32) waiting to receive the kingdom. In Matthew, the warning has been placed in a block of teaching expressing the difficulty of being saved and the ease with which men deceive themselves in this matter. The warning is for men to avoid taking the path that attracts the most and easiest attention of men.

At the time that Jesus spoke these words, it was historically true that neither had most of mankind been saved nor would most of the Jews to whom he preached then be saved. However, it shall always remain true that the preaching of Christianity will be wider than its reception.

The passages in Matt. 20:16 and 22:14 both rely upon the previous teaching. However, in these passages, there is an explanation offered. "Many" are called but "few are "chosen." The difference between the many and the few is that between calling and election (no matter how you specifically view "election"). The call of the Gospel is always wider than its reception. Hence, the contrast.

The reason is because not all who hear the outward preaching are elect of God. The Greek literally reads, "many are called, but few are elect." Throughout most of history, the contrast between the "many" and the "few" has been numerically significant. Yet, the contrast is what we might express by the words "more" or "less." More people are called, or bidden, less people are chosen.

If you consider that there are more people alive today than throughout all of human history and, presumably, this will continue to be the case during the millennium, then, if most people living during the millennium are saved, most people in history will be too. One thousand years of ever increasing mankind numerically being brought to faith is layering of twenty generations of men, each larger than the previous, being redeemed. Thus, in heaven, the number of the elect is a number no man can number (cf. Rev. 7:9).

Even during the millennium, though the vast majority of men will be saved, the hearing of the Gospel will still be wider than the election of God. The difference is that during the millennium, though fewer will be elect than hear the Gospel, the number of the elect will be greatly increased so as to fill all the world. "The earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea" (i.e., everywhere).

More always hear than are saved. This is not, however, a concept that necessitates thinking the final number of the saved will be few. Less will be saved than heard the Gospel but, in the end, the overarching theme of Scripture is that Christ came to save the world not just a few scattered individuals. Just as all die in Adam, so all are made alive in Christ. Paul's point challenges credulity if he meant by "all" a number so significantly smaller than the number of people who ever shall exist that the mass of mankind is reprobate and counted for naught. It is clear the tree of humanity is to be pruned of its diseased branches but pruning does not entail cutting off the vast majority of the branches of a tree.

The divine intention is stated throughout Scripture to save innumerable multitudes. Christ did not die for each and every individual of mankind but He most certainly evidently died for a large enough portion of mankind that it could be considered the "all," "the whole world," "all men," etc. While it is true less will be saved than hear, or even profess the true religion, that does not mean the number of saved will be small or even smaller than the total number of the lost.

For example, it appears that no more than one third of the angels fell (Rev. 12:4 and following; it may be less, this may not refer to the whole). Should we suppose that God, who made man in his own image, and the Son of God, who took upon himself not the nature of angels but the seed of Abraham, should have purposed to redeem a lesser percentage (one-third) of men than angels were kept from apostasy? This seems to misrepresent the claim that God's redemption of men is more exalted than his upholding and confirming of the elect angels (1 Pet. 1:12 and forward).

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An often used, but misunderstood and cast as a shibboleth for anyone who thinks he or she has some special knowledge that the rest of us better pay attention to; all contrary to Rev. 7:9, of course. :AMR:

We should avoid two errors: first, that all men shall be saved; second, that only few men will be saved. The preponderance of Scripture teaches the universal spread and acceptance of the Gospel at some point in history. Folks with this view appeal to Matt. 7:13, 14; 20:16; 22:14; Luke 13:23, 24. The passages in Matthew 7 and Luke 13 are parallel passages and already contain much of the answer in their contexts.

Matthew, moreso than Luke, emphasizes the wideness of the way to destruction; Luke mentions only the narrow, or strait, gate. This is a warning contrasting Christianity with other approaches to God. The word translated "broad" in Matthew 7:13 means "spacious" or "roomy" and carries with it the idea of living comfortably and without troubles. The words "narrow" and "wide," describing the gates are relative terms.

In other words, these only derive meaning in contrast to one another. There are two paths, and the two gates, or doors, standing at the head of each, the straight and narrow and the comfortable and wide. In Luke's account, he uses the same word for "gate," as John uses in 10:9 to give a metaphorical description of Jesus, "door." So, Jesus is contrasting salvation through him with other paths of salvation. It is through much tribulation we enter the kingdom of God (Acts 14:22).

There are two other contrasting terms used in these passages, "many" and "few." Again, these are relative terms and give no real information as to the actual number of those saved. In Luke's account (which is the chronological Gospel, see Luke 1:3 and forward, he writes "in order"), this question is raised immediately after we are told that Jesus taught that the kingdom of God would fill the earth. Yet, at the time Jesus spoke, the church was still a "little flock" (Luke 12:32) waiting to receive the kingdom. In Matthew, the warning has been placed in a block of teaching expressing the difficulty of being saved and the ease with which men deceive themselves in this matter. The warning is for men to avoid taking the path that attracts the most and easiest attention of men.

At the time that Jesus spoke these words, it was historically true that neither had most of mankind been saved nor would most of the Jews to whom he preached then be saved. However, it shall always remain true that the preaching of Christianity will be wider than its reception.

The passages in Matt. 20:16 and 22:14 both rely upon the previous teaching. However, in these passages, there is an explanation offered. "Many" are called but "few are "chosen." The difference between the many and the few is that between calling and election (no matter how you specifically view "election"). The call of the Gospel is always wider than its reception. Hence, the contrast.

The reason is because not all who hear the outward preaching are elect of God. The Greek literally reads, "many are called, but few are elect." Throughout most of history, the contrast between the "many" and the "few" has been numerically significant. Yet, the contrast is what we might express by the words "more" or "less." More people are called, or bidden, less people are chosen.

If you consider that there are more people alive today than throughout all of human history and, presumably, this will continue to be the case during the millennium, then, if most people living during the millennium are saved, most people in history will be too. One thousand years of ever increasing mankind numerically being brought to faith is layering of twenty generations of men, each larger than the previous, being redeemed. Thus, in heaven, the number of the elect is a number no man can number (cf. Rev. 7:9).

Even during the millennium, though the vast majority of men will be saved, the hearing of the Gospel will still be wider than the election of God. The difference is that during the millennium, though fewer will be elect than hear the Gospel, the number of the elect will be greatly increased so as to fill all the world. "The earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea" (i.e., everywhere).

More always hear than are saved. This is not, however, a concept that necessitates thinking the final number of the saved will be few. Less will be saved than heard the Gospel but, in the end, the overarching theme of Scripture is that Christ came to save the world not just a few scattered individuals. Just as all die in Adam, so all are made alive in Christ. Paul's point challenges credulity if he meant by "all" a number so significantly smaller than the number of people who ever shall exist that the mass of mankind is reprobate and counted for naught. It is clear the tree of humanity is to be pruned of its diseased branches but pruning does not entail cutting off the vast majority of the branches of a tree.

The divine intention is stated throughout Scripture to save innumerable multitudes. Christ did not die for each and every individual of mankind but He most certainly evidently died for a large enough portion of mankind that it could be considered the "all," "the whole world," "all men," etc. While it is true less will be saved than hear, or even profess the true religion, that does not mean the number of saved will be small or even smaller than the total number of the lost.

For example, it appears that no more than one third of the angels fell (Rev. 12:4 and following; it may be less, this may not refer to the whole). Should we suppose that God, who made man in his own image, and the Son of God, who took upon himself not the nature of angels but the seed of Abraham, should have purposed to redeem a lesser percentage (one-third) of men than angels were kept from apostasy? This seems to misrepresent the claim that God's redemption of men is more exalted than his upholding and confirming of the elect angels (1 Pet. 1:12 and forward).

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What you believe is in conflict with the Gospel, justification by faith, the grace of God, that Jesus is the savior of the world, the Bible, and is in conflict with God himself.
 

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What you believe is in conflict with the Gospel, justification by faith, the grace of God, that Jesus is the savior of the world, the Bible, and is in conflict with God himself.
Robert,

I see you have no real intention of discussing how your OP, juxtaposed with a more thorough analysis of the passage in question, makes any sense at all.

Just keep up your usual blogging of redundant "articles", Robert:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-atonement-!&p=5036088&viewfull=1#post5036088

Why did you create the OP, yet another of your many new and regularly redundant threads?
To actually discuss your post?
To merely blog an article?
To call attention to yourself?
To feed your anti-all things opposed to your views hobby horse?
Do you see yourself as some sort of oracle?

:idunno:

AMR
 

Truster

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"The strait gate is Jesus Christ and His gospel", complete and utter nonsense. You have never found the strait gate.

For as long as I can remember you've been banging on about free-will and man's ability the have faith in the gospel and Jesus. Now you are saying that the strait gate is Jesus and the gospel and it is so well hidden few there be that find it.

Twist your way out of this one Pate...
 

Robert Pate

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For as long as I can remember you've been banging on about free-will and man's ability the have faith in the gospel and Jesus. Now you are saying that the strait gate is Jesus and the gospel and it is so well hidden few there be that find it.

Twist your way out of this one Pate...

God is just, merciful and righteous in all of his dealings with fallen man. To believe otherwise is to pervert God's word.

As long as you believe that God saves some and damns the rest to hell, you will never find him who is the way, the truth and the life. John 14:6. What you have found is not the truth, but a false doctrine.
 

fishrovmen

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Why did you create the OP, yet another of your many new and regularly redundant threads?
To actually discuss your post?
To merely blog an article?
To call attention to yourself?
To feed your anti-all things opposed to your views hobby horse?
Do you see yourself as some sort of oracle?

:idunno:

AMR
Don't forget increasing post count, trying to get back to TOL legend status which is far more important than correcting his own heresies and unbiblical theories and ideas.
 

Truster

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God is just, merciful and righteous in all of his dealings with fallen man. To believe otherwise is to pervert God's word.

As long as you believe that God saves some and damns the rest to hell, you will never find him who is the way, the truth and the life. John 14:6. What you have found is not the truth, but a false doctrine.

Going around in circles again pate.

Why does Messiah make the strait gate difficult to find if all men have been redeemed and have access to eternal life by free-will?
 

Robert Pate

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Don't forget increasing post count, trying to get back to TOL legend status which is far more important than correcting his own heresies and unbiblical theories and ideas.

Most of my threads are doing very well. There are some people on this Forum that are hungry for the truth.
 

Truster

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Few there be that find it, because few there be that want it. What you want is religion, which is about you.

Answer the question. Why, if all are redeemed, does Messiah hide the strait gate from so many? Why does He shed His precious blood for people He's hides the strait gate from?
 
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Robert Pate

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Answer the question. Why, if all are redeemed does Messiah hide the strait gate from so many? Why does He shed His precious blood for people He's hides the strait gate from?

What makes you think that something is hid? Nothing is hid. There are churches and crosses everywhere. I don't know of anyone that does not believe that Jesus died on the cross for sins. Jesus told the disciples to go into all of the world and preach the Gospel to EVERYONE. The problem is that they hear, but they do not believe.
 

glorydaz

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Answer the question. Why, if all are redeemed does Messiah hide the strait gate from so many? Why does He shed His precious blood for people He's hides the strait gate from?

Messiah does NOT hide the strait gate. If you have a verse present it. :popcorn:
 

Truster

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What makes you think that something is hid? Nothing is hid. There are churches and crosses everywhere. I don't know of anyone that does not believe that Jesus died on the cross for sins. Jesus told the disciples to go into all of the world and preach the Gospel to EVERYONE. The problem is that they hear but they do not believe.

"few there be that find it" means it is difficult to find and that in itself denotes hidden from sight/difficult to find, hidden away.

You say nothing is hid? Try 2 Corinthians 4:3 and you are perishing pate.
 

Zeke

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Yet the carnal mind (theology) thinks its on the narrow path but disregards 2Cor 3:6 and Luke 17:20-21 for this worlds elitist dogma.
 

Robert Pate

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"few there be that find it" means it is difficult to find and that in itself denotes hidden from sight/difficult to find, hidden away.

You say nothing is hid? Try 2 Corinthians 4:3 and you are perishing pate.


The Gospel is hid to those that are lost because they will not come to the light, John 3:19-21. God has done all that he can do for the salvation of fallen man. The ball is now in humanities court.
 
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