jzeidler
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In case you ever were wondering if Jesus ever claimed to be God I found a really in depth website article that might help.
http://www.muslimhope.com/JesusIsGod.htm
http://www.muslimhope.com/JesusIsGod.htm
Jesus is God.
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Prizebeatz1
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God is infinite and eternal yet the Bible starts with "In the beginning" and so does John 1:1. Why do we suppose that is? Was there really a beginning to eternity? How can creation be separate from infinity which has no limits? How do we reconcile these passages with an infinite and eternal God?
God is a Spirit. He created the physical universe. That is the beginning. I find it odd that you don't understand it.
Prizebeatz1
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Jesus is God.
So God and creation are separate? How can that be possible? Do we understand the meaning of infinite?
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So God and creation are separate? How can that be possible? Do we understand the meaning of infinite?
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GOD is the Creator.
The universe is the creation.
GOD is infinite being.
The creation is finite being.
That which is infinite has no beginning.
That which is finite has a beginning.
To regard any created thing as equal or identical to the Creator is idolatry.
Prizebeatz1
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If God is infinite being then how could he be limited from creation? That would mean God is not infinite. We are part of creation and creation is included in that which is infinite. How could it be otherwise? Why are we trying so hard to exclude ourselves from that which is infinite anyway? Is that even possible? Maybe this points to the downfall of the first angel in heaven. Perhaps we are just like that angel.
I guess I will toss you in the stupid category. How can there be a creator and a creation? Seriously?
Was Jesus conceived? If so, how?
Prizebeatz1
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I see we are trying to bypass answering the question. Is God infinite or not? Perhaps you are in the stupid category for missing the point for so long: we are one with creation and we are one with God. The devil doesn't like to hear that. Notice how much resistance there is to this simple fact. Why?
The historical Christian theological categories are:
1) Creatio ex materia- Creation from prior or eternally existing physical material
2) Creatio ex Deo- Creation out of GOD- emanationism
3) Creatio ex nihilo- Creation out of nothing.
"Gen1:1 In the beginning GOD" implies 'Creation ex nihilo' and that GOD is infinite being and transcendent to His finite creation.
If what we call 'creation' had always existed then it wouldn't be called 'creation'. There would be no 'creation', only cycles within the 'One'.
If creation is an extension or emanation of GOD's being then idolatry is a false concept and does not exist, yet, Scripture says that worship of the creation is an integral part of the downward slide into reprobation.
Monism gives grounds for the apparent unity of the universe, but gives no ground for the apparent diversity. If all began with 'OM' then there should never have been any variance.
True individual personality disappears into the infinite sea and there remains no place for you.
You don't exist. You should practice 'mouna'. There is in reality, nothing to say.
Prizebeatz1
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No one is denying the existence of creation but creation cannot be excluded from what is infinite no matter how hard we try to rationalize. Why continue deluding ourselves? If I don't exist then how come I am sitting here typing this? It's easy to see the personality is delusional in it's belief in separation from God. That unconscious thought of separation is something we don't want to look at because it's too shameful and we are too proud of admitting we were wrong. It's okay man. God doesn't judge but we've been conditioned to believe otherwise. The fear of judgement is a projection of the mind onto the world around us. This is passed down through the generations. We take its effects to be normal and hardly question it. That is the way the enemy likes it. It instills fear so that we think God is going to punish us and we run away from what's infinite and eternal rather than toward it. That infinite eternal stillness of outer space is the peace of God which surpasses all understanding and it's our salvation. We peel through the layers of the personality until we see that it is just a shell. What will be left but the true core of our being, our true identity, our true nature, the soul that is one with God? We have things backwards because the enemy is super cunning. It does not want us to know it's there because we might start to question it and it would lose its power over us. It is not as strong as it appears. We have the option to quit hanging on to the personality as a cheap substitute for the true identity of the soul. It's not easy at first but it's much better in the long run. We can start by learning to quit biting the forbidden fruit. Do we care enough about humanity to do it?
keypurr
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How many God's are there?
Only the God of Jesus Christ is the true God. John 17:3
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Only the God of Jesus Christ is the true God. John 17:3
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Ben Masada
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Jesus is dead and God does not die.