Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

[Idolater]

So as I ponder the global Flood, that a great mass of water was covering the whole earth, one of the first things I think is, Where did all that water go?

And I think, maybe nowhere? Maybe it's all still here? Is there like a boatload of water just sitting around here somewhere?

Maybe it's all the world's oceans? Maybe 'the seven seas' are 'residue' of the Flood?

Somehow, the earth before the Flood already had all this water in it, or it didn't and all the water for the Flood basically 'magically' appeared (us Christians believe in miracles, not magic). But if it was miraculously created just for the Flood, was it miraculously removed from the earth, or is all that water still here?

tldr The oceans are 0.13% of one trillion cubic kilometers of water. A cubic kilometer is one billion cubic meters. A cubic meter is 1000 liters. A liter of water is 1 kilogram. The oceans weigh over one million trillion tons. So if you take one trillion tons of water from the oceans, there's still 999,999 trillion more.

 

[Right Divider]

So as I ponder the global Flood, that a great mass of water was covering the whole earth, one of the first things I think is, Where did all that water go?

And I think, maybe nowhere? Maybe it's all still here? Is there like a boatload of water just sitting around here somewhere?

Maybe it's all the world's oceans? Maybe 'the seven seas' are 'residue' of the Flood?

Somehow, the earth before the Flood already had all this water in it, or it didn't and all the water for the Flood basically 'magically' appeared (us Christians believe in miracles, not magic). But if it was miraculously created just for the Flood, was it miraculously removed from the earth, or is all that water still here?

tldr The oceans are 0.13% of one trillion cubic kilometers of water. A cubic kilometer is one billion cubic meters. A cubic meter is 1000 liters. A liter of water is 1 kilogram. The oceans weigh over one million trillion tons. So if you take one trillion tons of water from the oceans, there's still 999,999 trillion more.

Please read: https://www.creationscience.com/
Or watch:

Or both...

Dr. Brown (and Bryan Nickel) explain the whole thing quite well.

P.S. The water on earth was about half and half under and over the granitic crust. Some portion of that was launched into space along with some of the earth. Some of the water under the crust is still under the crust.

 

[Idolater]

If you make a logical argument then there's no way you can persuade me, it's just going to be up to me whether I admit or concede that your argument is logical. But if you instead present a rhetorical argument, then I am wary about you attempting to persuade me. I try to 'tease out' the logical part of your rhetoric, and just deal with that logical part apart from the rhetorical part. I try to figure out what your implied logical argument is from your apparent rhetorical one. Sometimes it's very easy, a system or pattern of thought becomes salient, something like a bald assertion or declaration, to which a good logical reply is "Saying it doesn't make it so". Sometimes the response has to be something obtuse, because oftentimes confronting logical damage directly, is ineffective in persuading, so you respond rhetorically instead of logically, even though the logical error is plain to see, it might not be plain to see for the one making the error. He or she or neither he nor she might have an obstructed view, conceptually. To be in a baseball stadium and have a seat with an obstructed view of the action means that you can't talk about that throw in from deep right field to third base to get the guy trying to stretch a double into a triple, on the fly, no bounce, 'frozen rope'. Because that's where the obstruction is for you, in the seat in the baseball stadium with the obstructed view. It just so happens that the exact line that the rightfielder's powerful arm threw the baseball in, was precisely where your obstruction is. In a ballpark an obstruction is like a vertical column holding up the upper deck. If that column just happens to be right in the line that the outfielder's perfect strike from deep right field to third base took, then you can't see that throw, not even a little.

If someone's view is obstructed you have to deal with the logical part indirectly which means you have to use rhetoric not logic.

 

[Idolater]

In geologic time if the Flood really did happen, it happened like a blink of an eye ago. So if there's any evidence in the rocks of the Flood, it should still be there, and it should be pretty clear. There's enough water on the earth (more than a billion cubic kms) to cover it all under 2km of water, if the earth's crust was uniformly thick, but it's not, we have deep ocean trenches and tall mountains.

The Bible says the tallest mountains were covered by 15 cubits of water at the Flood's height. A cubit is over a foot in length, so this is over 15 feet over the tallest mountain peaks. That height of water corresponds to the 2km depth aforementioned. Which means the tallest mountains before the Flood were no more than 2km tall, whereas today Mount Everest for example is like 9km tall.

The waters of the Flood wouldn't just stay up at a high level for any longer than gravity would permit, so something changed in order to allow both the level to drop down, but also for mountains like Everest to rise up.

If the surface of the earth was separated from the crust by water, then the Flood could have occurred through the collapse of this structure. That would fairly quickly submerge the entire surface under 2km of water.

So now the question is, what happened so that the total height from the earth's mantle of rock is now between like 7km and 20km (Mariana trench Challenger Deep being like 7kms and Everest's summit being like 20kms from the mantle directly underneath them), which is a range of like 13km of rock. For the Flood's water to cover a 2km mountain means that even if 7km thickness at Mariana trench didn't change, the tallest mountain's summit was no more than 13kms from the mantle.

What causes rock to rise up 7km toward the sky?

 

[marke]

So as I ponder the global Flood, that a great mass of water was covering the whole earth, one of the first things I think is, Where did all that water go?

And I think, maybe nowhere? Maybe it's all still here? Is there like a boatload of water just sitting around here somewhere?

Maybe it's all the world's oceans? Maybe 'the seven seas' are 'residue' of the Flood?

Somehow, the earth before the Flood already had all this water in it, or it didn't and all the water for the Flood basically 'magically' appeared (us Christians believe in miracles, not magic). But if it was miraculously created just for the Flood, was it miraculously removed from the earth, or is all that water still here?

tldr The oceans are 0.13% of one trillion cubic kilometers of water. A cubic kilometer is one billion cubic meters. A cubic meter is 1000 liters. A liter of water is 1 kilogram. The oceans weigh over one million trillion tons. So if you take one trillion tons of water from the oceans, there's still 999,999 trillion more.

Humans can easily get themselves into trouble by thinking things they do not understand justify believing the Bible is wrong. Mountains are just as high as oceans are deep. If there were no very high mountains before the flood caused tectonic shifts of the earth's lower rock formations, forming mountains and deep depressions, then the waters that covered the whole earth during the flood are still there in the oceans of today.

 

[marke]

In geologic time if the Flood really did happen, it happened like a blink of an eye ago. So if there's any evidence in the rocks of the Flood, it should still be there, and it should be pretty clear. There's enough water on the earth (more than a billion cubic kms) to cover it all under 2km of water, if the earth's crust was uniformly thick, but it's not, we have deep ocean trenches and tall mountains.

The Bible says the tallest mountains were covered by 15 cubits of water at the Flood's height. A cubit is over a foot in length, so this is over 15 feet over the tallest mountain peaks. That height of water corresponds to the 2km depth aforementioned. Which means the tallest mountains before the Flood were no more than 2km tall, whereas today Mount Everest for example is like 9km tall.

The waters of the Flood wouldn't just stay up at a high level for any longer than gravity would permit, so something changed in order to allow both the level to drop down, but also for mountains like Everest to rise up.

If the surface of the earth was separated from the crust by water, then the Flood could have occurred through the collapse of this structure. That would fairly quickly submerge the entire surface under 2km of water.

So now the question is, what happened so that the total height from the earth's mantle of rock is now between like 7km and 20km (Mariana trench Challenger Deep being like 7kms and Everest's summit being like 20kms from the mantle directly underneath them), which is a range of like 13km of rock. For the Flood's water to cover a 2km mountain means that even if 7km thickness at Mariana trench didn't change, the tallest mountain's summit was no more than 13kms from the mantle.

What causes rock to rise up 7km toward the sky?

Water pressure pressed sediments into rock with embedded fossils just as deep water pressure forced bedrock formations to press into each other, forcing the tectonic plates to shift and rise.

 

[Right Divider]

In geologic time if the Flood really did happen, it happened like a blink of an eye ago.

What is "geologic time"? Yes, the flood really happened.

So if there's any evidence in the rocks of the Flood, it should still be there, and it should be pretty clear. There's enough water on the earth (more than a billion cubic kms) to cover it all under 2km of water, if the earth's crust was uniformly thick, but it's not, we have deep ocean trenches and tall mountains.

The Bible says the tallest mountains were covered by 15 cubits of water at the Flood's height. A cubit is over a foot in length, so this is over 15 feet over the tallest mountain peaks. That height of water corresponds to the 2km depth aforementioned. Which means the tallest mountains before the Flood were no more than 2km tall, whereas today Mount Everest for example is like 9km tall.

The waters of the Flood wouldn't just stay up at a high level for any longer than gravity would permit, so something changed in order to allow both the level to drop down, but also for mountains like Everest to rise up.

If the surface of the earth was separated from the crust by water, then the Flood could have occurred through the collapse of this structure. That would fairly quickly submerge the entire surface under 2km of water.

So now the question is, what happened so that the total height from the earth's mantle of rock is now between like 7km and 20km (Mariana trench Challenger Deep being like 7kms and Everest's summit being like 20kms from the mantle directly underneath them), which is a range of like 13km of rock. For the Flood's water to cover a 2km mountain means that even if 7km thickness at Mariana trench didn't change, the tallest mountain's summit was no more than 13kms from the mantle.

What causes rock to rise up 7km toward the sky?

Please investigate the Hydro-Plate Theory. It explains all of this is great detail: https://hpt.rsr.org/onlinebookl

 

[JudgeRightly]

Idolater, The Coliseum is not for general discussion. It is for Battle Royal threads and related. If you continue posting in there, you will be getting an infraction.

 

[Idolater]

Idolater, The Coliseum is not for general discussion. It is for Battle Royal threads and related. If you continue posting in there, you will be getting an infraction.

It's the Back Alley forum. There used to be no limits on that forum.

 

[JudgeRightly]

In geologic time if the Flood really did happen, it happened like a blink of an eye ago. So if there's any evidence in the rocks of the Flood, it should still be there, and it should be pretty clear.

There's enough water on the earth (more than a billion cubic kms) to cover it all under 2km of water, if the earth's crust was uniformly thick, but it's not, we have deep ocean trenches and tall mountains.

The Bible says the tallest mountains were covered by 15 cubits of water at the Flood's height. A cubit is over a foot in length, so this is over 15 feet over the tallest mountain peaks. That height of water corresponds to the 2km depth aforementioned. Which means the tallest mountains before the Flood were no more than 2km tall, whereas today Mount Everest for example is like 9km tall.

The waters of the Flood wouldn't just stay up at a high level for any longer than gravity would permit, so something changed in order to allow both the level to drop down, but also for mountains like Everest to rise up.

If the surface of the earth was separated from the crust by water, then the Flood could have occurred through the collapse of this structure. That would fairly quickly submerge the entire surface under 2km of water.

So now the question is, what happened so that the total height from the earth's mantle of rock is now between like 7km and 20km (Mariana trench Challenger Deep being like 7kms and Everest's summit being like 20kms from the mantle directly underneath them), which is a range of like 13km of rock. For the Flood's water to cover a 2km mountain means that even if 7km thickness at Mariana trench didn't change, the tallest mountain's summit was no more than 13kms from the mantle.

What causes rock to rise up 7km toward the sky?

The continents colliding.

 

[JudgeRightly]

It's the Back Alley forum. There used to be no limits on that forum.

It's for debates. Not casual discussion. And the thread is about the Global Flood, which we have a forum for. Please post threads in the appropriate forums.

 

[Idolater]

It's for debates. Not casual discussion. And the thread is about the Global Flood, which we have a forum for. Please post threads in the appropriate forums.

I just wanted to have a thread that discusses and or debate the Flood that's completely inclusive to all the TOL users no matter whether they believe or want to believe in the Bible or Jesus or a flat earth, I don't care what forum it's in but this Creation Science forum is not inclusive. What is the appropriate forum for this thread?

 

[JudgeRightly]

I just wanted to have a thread that discusses and or debate the Flood that's completely inclusive to all the TOL users no matter whether they believe or want to believe in the Bible or Jesus or a flat earth, I don't care what forum it's in but this Creation Science forum is not inclusive. What is the appropriate forum for this thread?

You seem to have misunderstood something: 1M1S was not banned from the CS forum. He was banned from the thread he was in. He still has access to the CS forum.

The problem was that he was trying to derail the thread. That is NOT allowed. Had he kept to the thread topic, he could have remained, but he didn't so I removed him.

 

[JudgeRightly]

What is the appropriate forum for this thread?

The Creation Science Forum, and regarding the Flood, the Global Flood and the Hydroplate Theory forum

 

[Idolater]

You seem to have misunderstood something: 1M1S was not banned from the CS forum. He was banned from the thread he was in. He still has access to the CS forum.

The problem was that he was trying to derail the thread. That is NOT allowed. Had he kept to the thread topic, he could have remained, but he didn't so I removed him.

OK, so how can I make a thread about the Flood where when @1Mind1Spirit doesn't keep to the thread topic, he doesn't get kicked out of the thread? He wasn't derailing my thread. Me and @Tambora anyway liked having him there. So how can we do this?

 

[Idolater]

The Creation Science Forum, and regarding the Flood, the Global Flood and the Hydroplate Theory forum

So this is open to all TOL users? There aren't any special rules that apply here, for atheists for instance? I didn't know that; I thought you had to commit to more than just the standard TOL rules of conduct to be in this Creation Science Global Flood forum.

 

[JudgeRightly]

This is in regards to certain kinds of posters that like to come into this section to mock or post blasphemy, you will be removed from this section. Honest debate is allowed, mockery is not.

Also theories that do not work off of the available evidence are disallowed in this section. This includes plasma sun models, geocentrism, and flat earth. These do not belong in Creation Science.

Attempts to intentionally derail a thread will get you removed from the thread and any posts made will be removed and the thread cleaned up.

Continued attempts will result in a warning, followed by a ban. Don't be a thread pest or troll.

Thank you.

And from the subtitle of the GFHPT forum:

"This section is for discussion specific to the Biblical Global Flood and Dr. Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory."

 

[Idolater]

So obviously based on those stipulations this is the wrong forum for my thread, so which forum is the right one for my thread?

 

[JudgeRightly]

This thread is about the Biblical flood, and therefore belongs in this forum.

 

[JudgeRightly]

doesn't keep to the thread topic

You seem to think that it is possible to break the rules while not facing the consequences.