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cattyfan

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Is It Art? It Depends on the Funding…

Recently, Christo installed his latest conceptual art piece, The Gates, in Central Park. You may have heard details on any number of newscasts, and even Rush Limbaugh spent an hour talking about this “splendid spectacle”. Christo has a history of unusual productions. He has placed hundreds of umbrellas on mountainsides, wrapped entire buildings in varying materials, and surrounded islands with pink foam pieces. He doesn’t believe in small undertakings.

“The Gates” supposedly cost millions of dollars to produce and is described by the artist as “7500 Gates, 16 feet high with a width varying from 5' 6" to 18 feet that will follow the edges of the walkways and will be perpendicular to the selected 23 miles of footpaths in Central Park. Free hanging saffron colored fabric panels suspended from the horizontal top part of the gates will come down to approximately 7 feet above the ground. The gates will be spaced at 12 foot intervals, except where low branches extend above the walkways allowing the synthetic woven panels to wave horizontally towards the next gate and be seen from far away through the leafless branches of the trees.”

Seeing the photos of this most recent “masterpiece” made me wonder if there might not be a better use for the millions Christo spent to make his vision a reality, and it also put me in mind of something from my college days…

When I was a student, the art department placed an abstract sculpture just outside their building. I passed it everyday on my way to the theatre department. The artist (and I use the term loosely,) had taken large silver metal pieces of varying shapes, all approximately 10 feet tall, and placed them upright in a cluster. His artistic achievement was entitled “So Many Friends.”

I tried the name with different inflections in an attempt to understand the point. “So many friends.” “So many friends.” “So many friends.” “So…many friends?”

The artwork didn’t move me in any way. To my unappreciative stare, it just looked like a bunch of painted scrap metal.

One night some of my friends and I decided to give the sculpture some additional color…form…texture. We went to the costume department in the theatre, seized some dyed muslin cloth, and proceeded to drape “So Many Friends” with the billowing, colorful textiles. The next day, the enraged art professors stripped the offending material from their beloved monument. Shortly thereafter, an article appeared in the school paper detailing the vandalism that had been perpetrated on this important work.

In the last fifteen years the world has seen some unique examples of artistic expression and many times it’s our pocketbook that has backed the artist’s conceptualization.

The 1990 traveling retrospective of photographs by Robert Mapplethorpe, entitled “The Perfect Moment,” stunned the world. The mix of graphic images was a blend of beauty and pornography, and Mapplethorpe’s work fueled a debate on what exactly qualifies as art. He happily waltzed along the sharp precipice of good taste, frequently plummeting over the edge into an area many viewed as obscenity. Standards of decency are defined by the community to which the standards will be applied, and a majority of Americans were offended. Yet the famed photographer was supported through endowments from government programs and anyone questioning the significance of the compositions was shouted down as an uneducated, unqualified rube.

A favorite defense of a controversial or offensive art show is the phrase, “Art is supposed to be disturbing,” although if you check the dictionary, the word disturbing doesn’t appear in any part of the definition of “art.” Many artistic presentations are not so much disturbing as they are disgusting, yet certain people persist in defending the intrinsic value of these works. The more repulsive or senseless it is, the more the art lemmings applaud.

Annie Sprinkle, the former x-rated movie star, reincarnated herself as a “taboo-shattering post-porn modernist performance artist.” No, really. I’m not making this up. One of her lesser known shows was titled “Suitcase,” and consisted of examining the contents likely to be found in Ms. Sprinkle’s luggage. I’ll spare you the list of items she includes, except to say I hope she doesn’t unpack in front of her mother.

Her resume’ also includes such edifying gems as "Strip Speak," “Hardcore from the Heart” (A multi-media "play",) and “An Intimate Informal Show and Tell Evening” featuring the nude performer rubbing various substances on herself while talking about her experiences in adult entertainment. Oh, and most of her funding for creating, producing, and presenting these culturally uplifting jewels came through public currency: government grants from the National Endowment for the Arts.

Andres Serrano delved deep into his creative well to bring us “Piss Christ,” the ingenious display of a crucifix in urine. A huge percentage of the populace was revolted. Thomas Frank, a condescending columnist and author of What's the Matter with Kansas?, wrote about the furor Serrano caused and commented on the “hicks” who were offended by the artist’s bold and brave act. The county’s sophisticates insisted objectors just weren’t educated enough to understand Serrano’s important commentary on the negativity of society’s Christian emphasis. They were proud their tax money had been used for the artist’s expression of his opinion of God (and apparently his biological needs) and couldn’t fathom why other people might not be as pleased to have paid for a guy piddling in a jar and dropping a spiritual icon into the result.

But anger over the attack on a sacred religious symbol wasn’t limited to knuckle dragging, back-water conservatives as certain columnists might like to believe, and politicians attempted to curb the NEA’s tendency to fund what narrow minded folks like me consider to be smut. In the late eighties, an addition to the NEA appropriations bill sought to remove funds appropriated by the National Endowments for the Arts or Humanities used to support “materials which in the judgment of the NEA…may be considered obscene,” including ”depictions of sadomasochism, homo-eroticism, the sexual exploitation of children, or of individuals engaged in sex acts which taken as a whole, do not have serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” A federal court invalidated the amendment in 1990 for being “unconstitutionally vague and chilling the exercise of First Amendment rights.”

Chris Ofili is the genius behind the 1999 creation of a painting of the Virgin Mary covered with elephant feces. On purpose. Many probably remember the discussions of whether Ofili had produced a reflective repudiation of the reverence for motherhood or if Dung Flung Mary was just a piece of…well, you know. Supporters insist detractors should broaden their minds. Cynics grumble Ofili needs to go back on his meds.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau 85 % of U.S. residents claim to be Christian. They aren’t likely to be too amused by the defacing of the mother of Jesus. Odds are they’ll be even less thrilled to discover they helped fund something so abhorrent to and so completely at odds with American ideals.

Nate Simon is a Pittsburgh writer who, in his words, “specialises in metaphysics and aestetics...” I believe he means “specializes” and “aesthetics.” Apparently clever philosophical art critics don’t place a high premium on basic English spelling. On the topic of understanding artistic creation, he writes:

“The fundamental paradox of contemporary art, of modern art as such, lies in the fact that we have collectively reached as a culture a point where artistic irony begets artistic irony.
Like the omnibus, modern aesthetic theory is something that loops back in on itself, generating an infinite regress of self referentiality. We are all archetypically enslaved by universal symbols from the past which hold an almost neurotic sway over how we view art and our relation to it.”

“One of the most controversial pieces to be publicly discussed in recent years is Andres Serrano’s aptly titled work “Piss Christ” which featured a crucifix submerged in a jar of urine. Though one could say that this piece exemplifies the old adage that “sacred cows make the best hamburger”, there is something at work that is deeper then mere shock value for the bourgeois. Since the Romantic period, it has been the place of artists to disturb mainstream society out of its uncritical assumptions. This is an important task. Down through the twentieth century, the bohemian class of the avant-garde has performed this job wonderfully.”

His deconstruction of art goes on for many pages and includes such amazing insights as comparing Ofili and Serrano to German philosopher Frederic Nietzsche and Russian composer Igor Stravinsky, and, of course, pointing out the need for art to disturb and provoke. Allow me to provide you with the Reader’s Digest version of the remaining umpteen pages of blather: blahblahblah self-awareness blahblahblah artists blahblahblah meta-irony blahblahblah luminescent cosmic feeling blahblahblah higher level of awareness blahblahblah. Basically Simon spends his time looking down his nose at anyone who doesn’t “understand” art, firmly convinced of his own intellectual superiority and completely entrenched in his own self-importance and self-righteousness. According to the author, he and the artist are the center of the cerebral universe and only the creative elite like himself are allowed to be in their orbit. The rest of us are only necessary to pay for their brilliance. His view is indicative of those who praise artistes such as Sprinkle, Serrano, and Ofili while simultaneously dismissing and “dissing” the rest of us.

What defines art? You would think with my fancy liberal arts book learnin’, I would easily find the answer, but all I can come up with is…money.

Consider if Annie Sprinkle had performed in a cheap hotel room for a video camera and then sold the tapes (as she did in the early years of her career.) You almost have to admire her for figuring out how to market the same “talents” as artistic instead of merely athletic. If she hadn’t managed to transition her “artistic view,” she would still be just another x-rated actress.

Andres Serrano is considered to be in the forefront of the art world…yet if he had placed his jar in a church instead of a SoHo gallery, he would have been arrested for desecrating the holy object and authorities would have called for HazMat to come remove his “art.”

And Chris Ofili. He has some issues…combining motherhood with elephant dung would have earned him a trip to a therapist in any circle other than the art world. Destroying in that fashion a painting that depicts the Virgin Mary reveals deeper psychological problems than I can diagnose.

But because someone is willing to shell out money for them, or to hand out someone else’s cash to finance them, these extraordinarily expensive creations are now “disturbing society” as a part of our artistic history instead of being considered the result of a troubled and unbalanced mind. It doesn’t matter whether or not there is any real merit to the work. What matters is the perception of the influence of the piece, the importance the artist, and the marketing of whomever is doing the publicity.

So if you travel to New York and get a chance to wander through Central Park amid the flapping yellow fabric and you find yourself thinking, “Christo really expects us to believe it took 25 years and $20 million dollars…for this?,” just remember: at least he funds it himself and it’s not obscene.

Then go buy some colorful cloth and get started on your own career…just don’t drape it over someone else’s sculpture.
--Berta Collins Eddy
copyright Almost Normal Publications 2005​
 
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julie21

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From original article:..pointing out the need for art to disturb and provoke...
More often than not, these artists who see the need to make their pieces affect viewers in this way, lack the real talent that truly gifted artists have.
To me, they seem like pouty little kids who want to prove a point in some base way...attention seeking gits!
 

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Originally posted by granite1010

This may be true, but shouldn't some art provoke and disturb no matter what?

Says who????


Great piece from Berta. I'm rather enjoying her articles. I think they're great additions around here.
 

Granite

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Originally posted by Poly

Says who????


Great piece from Berta. I'm rather enjoying her articles. I think they're great additions around here.

For example...pictures of Hiroshima or Vietnamese children who were burned by napalm are powerful and disturbing, but isn't that important? What about art inspired by the Holocaust? Such art is provocative, and disturbing. But does its shocking nature diminish its value or message?

What about some of the crucifixion portraits painted throughout the ages? Some of them are downright brutal--is not such art disturbing, especially for Christians?
 

servent101

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If nothing else the controversy made us think a little... I would like to see it myself, and the people who have - who have been interviewed by the News seem to like it.

As far as the cost - well there a lot worse things one can spend their money on, and most probably most of the cost went to labor, to salaries, that paid for the necessities of many a hard working persons.

With Christ's Love

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PureX

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First, the artwork by Christo in New York was paid for by Christo himself. In fact, all of his public artworks have been paid for by himself. None of his public sculptures have been paid for by public money.

Also, the end result of Christo's art - the public sculptural event - is only a small part of Christo's artistic endeavor. His works are really about the very human political and cultural interactions involved in obtaining permission to do the things he's done over the years. When he wrapped the Reichstag building in Germany, the result was a wonderfully odd and interesting visual event. But what that project was really about was the interjection of an artistic concept into the difficult political environment existing at that time between east and west Germany (the Reichstag building at that time was where the politicos of the east and west would meet to hash out their differences). You can imagine what a monumental task it must have been to get these two most antithetical sides of the political cold war to both agree to allow such a bizarre artistic event to take over their building and to literally seal them out of it for two weeks. It often takes him many years to finally gain permission to do his projects and to sell enough of his own drawings and models to pay for the final sculptural events.

So as you walk through all those orange arches in Central Park, in New York, keep in mind the political battles that have been going on in that city over the last decade or so, and imagine the difficulty involved in getting all those petty politicos, each with their own agendas, to agree to allow such a "useless" event to happen in their sacred park. In fact, it's exactly the conservative climate and it's hatred of art (as it is imagined that art is a "liberal" endeavor) that Christo was specifically dealing with in this most recent sculptural event.

The point here, is that art is about a lot more than just what you see in front of you. And some works of art are about pushing you to see the world in a way you may not like or agree with. This is especially pertinant today, when everyone is so desperately trying to ignore the existence of any aspect of reality that they don't like.

We were SUPPOSED to be offended by an artwork like "Piss/Christ". That why it was made. But it's not JUST about causing offence, it's also offering you an opportunity to really study that which you find so offensive. And to learn something about about yourself and about the world as a result.

The reason art is difficult to define is because it's the one category of human endeavor where we get to directly confront our own definition of things. Art isn't defined by what it is, but by what it's not. Art's not beauty, it's not religion, it's not philosophy, it's not science, it's not politics (though it may employ any or all of these at any time). Art is what we do when we want to explore what "is", is. Art is what we do when we want to explore what it means to do something. Art is what we think about when we want to explore what it means to think. To make art is to explore the value and meaning of being and to share what we've found with others. It provides us a way of seeing ourselves and each other in ways that we couldn't, otherwise do. What we see isn't always going to be pretty, or fun, or entertaining. But art isn't about being pretty and fun and entertaining, even though it may often be all of those things.

Art is about exploration. Everything else art happens to do is just an aside.



I met Christo many years ago when I was in art school and he was working on his "Running Fence" project in California. The fence itself was just an interesting visual oddity that lasted for only two weeks. But what Christo's work was really about was using an artistic endeavor to explore the interactions between the new and very liberal "yuppies" who were moving into the California countryside, and the very conservative farming folks who had lived there for generations. That's why he built a fence .... fences are what happens when people want to keep each other "out".
 
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not all modern art is garbage...I love Peter Max (I have one of his mixed media pieces in our office,) and I have a great abstract Deb Newton watercolor in the bedroom.

The pieces mentioned in the article don't take any real artistic creativity to express. Anybody can pee in a jar and drop something in. Anybody (as evidenced by the author in her college days) can drape fabric around stuff. Anybody can fling poop at a portrait.

But some of the art granite mentions, while yes they are disturbing, is also something not everyone could produce. The sketches depicting what some of the Holocaust victims experienced are a great example...while haunting, they still have purpose and tell a story..but not every person who was there could create that sketch or painting or written description.

The "artists" like those in the column have no real talent and no one surrounding them with the guts to tell them.
 
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First, the artwork by Christo in New York was paid for by Christo himself. In fact, all of his public artworks have been paid for by himself. None of his public sculptures have been paid for by public money.

that fact is plainly stated in the article.
 

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Originally posted by cattyfan

not all modern art is garbage...I love Peter Max (I have one of his mixed media pieces in our office,) and I have a great abstract Deb Newton watercolor in the bedroom.

The pieces mentioned in the article don't take any real artistic creativity to express. Anybody can pee in a jar and drop something in. Anybody (as evidenced by the author in her college days) can drape fabric around stuff. Anybody can fling poop at a portrait.

But some of the art granite mentions, while yes they are disturbing, is also something not everyone could produce. The sketches depicting what some of the Holocaust victims experienced are a great example...while haunting, they still have purpose and tell a story..but not every person who was there could create that sketch or painting or written description.

The "artists" like those in the column have no real talent and no one surrounding them with the guts to tell them.

Well, I'd just say that "real" talent is completely in the eye of the beholder. Norman Mailer might strike you as a totally dense, dry-witted blowhard, and Jack Ketchum may not be your cup of tea, either. But I'd say each is "really talented" in their own way.
 

PureX

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Money has nothing to do with art, really. Art is about how we define things, including and especially how we value the things we define.

This article is just more stupid grousing by someone who gets paid to grouse. The reader gets to read the article and feel like they're smarter than all those other stupid people who "just don't get it" that art is bad and silly and whatever.

I'm really getting tired of these conservative idiots glorifying their own ignorance as if being ignorant were somehow wise. It's not. It's just being ignorant. If Berta here doesn't understand art then maybe she ought to shut up and try reading a book. But of course she's not being paid to actually illuminate anyone, she's just being paid to grouse.
 
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Originally posted by PureX

This article is just more stupid grousing by someone who gets paid to grouse. The reader gets to read the article and feel like they're smarter than all those other stupid people who "just don't get it" that art is bad and silly and whatever.

I'm really getting tired of these conservative idiots glorifying their own ignorance as if being ignorant were somehow wise. It's not. It's just being ignorant. If Berta here doesn't understand art then maybe she ought to shut up and try reading a book. But of course she's not being paid to actually illuminate anyone, she's just being paid to grouse.

gee...I'd say with as much as it "disturbed and provoked" you, this article qualifies as art. :chuckle:
 

PureX

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Originally posted by cattyfan gee...I'd say with as much as it "disturbed and provoked" you, this article qualifies as art.
I have very first hand experience with how difficult it is to be an artist in a culture that worships money above all else. It's a miracle that we have any art at all in this country, anymore, where everyone and everything has become a product to be exploited for money. It's the height of hypocracy that these conservative blowhards would be complaining about how art is all about money when in reality it's the conservatives themselves that have been supporting commercialism and greed as if it were the divine miracle cure for all the world's ills.

Art helps teach us how to see through our own bull___, and it gets virtually no support from anyone, in this country. We should be grateful that people are still willing to engage in the artistic endeavor and share it with us considering that they get very little monetary compensation and even less respect.
 

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Hear hear.

Art and culture have gotten short shrift in this country for quite a while.
 
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cattyfan

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the article isn't about repressing art or eliminating culture...it's about being able to discern what is something of quality and what is a piece of garbage which someone is trying to pass off as an important statement.

Just because someone wants to pretend pee in a jar is "art" doesn't mean that it is.
 

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Originally posted by cattyfan

the article isn't about repressing art or eliminating culture...it's about being able to discern what is something of quality and what is a piece of garbage which someone is trying to pass off as an important statement.

Just because someone wants to pretend pee in a jar is "art" doesn't mean that it is.

But quality depends on who's looking.

H.R. Giger, for one, may frighten, intimidate, or disgust, but I think his work is quite fascinating. Bosch probably scared the hell out of his contemporaries--literally--but that doesn't make his work junk, either.

P.S. Personally I don't have much use for someone getting an endowment for urinating in a jar.
 

PureX

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The problem is in assuming that the function of art is to be good. Yet art is itself very often an exploration of what we deem "good" and "bad" and why. That's why looking at a work of art and immediately asking ourself if it's "good" or not is missing the point of the art endeavor. Most artworks aren't created to be "good". They were created to enable us to see and understand things in a new way - and hopefully that experience will be valuable to us - valuable even when it isn't necessarily "good". Complaining that "Piss/Christ" is "bad" art is stupid. A work of art is "bad" the way it's red or blue. It's color and it's "badness" are both just aspects of the whole that serve the artist's purpose. Rejecting an artwork because it's "bad" is the same as rejecting it because it's red. You can do it if you want to, but it's a pretty silly criteria to use, and it's missing the whole point of the art endeavor.
 
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