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If tradition is not in agreement with scripture which one should one give way to the other?
It has been written of me this: “. . . . you've tacitly admitted to being something other than a real Christian, . . . . who doesn’t] understand the simplest aspects of issues as fundamental to the Christian faith as what happened at Calvary.”
Before I begin explaining what “fundamentally” happened at Calvary, I would like first to clarify some of my last that landed me in hot water for reasons anti-thetical to objective thinking:
Lets check into some of these “simplest aspects” in the account of the Life of Jesus to see if I am violating/hindering the scriptures in the process of my sorting out the issues dealing with redemption and salvation God by Jesus as a man and by His allegiance Him depended upon, is correct. Lets permit the scriptures, without conjecture as possible, say what they say.
1. Jesus was not God before His “Resurrection. He was the only begotten, Son of God, subjected to his Father's will for the purpose of revealing all aspects of God and providing a way of rectification whereby man could be restored to having direct communion with Him.
A. Had He been God He could not have died. His human death was required. God can’t die.
B. Secondly, He would have known all things which He didn't. He was yet the instrument by which God would reconcile the world to Himself. Matt 24:36 KJV. This necessitated certain limitations placed upon him. God has no limitations in such matters.
C. Thirdly, Had Jesus been God, He would have not have needed to be tempted, nor could He have been. God can’t be tempted. So much for the subversive “wiles of the Devil”.
D. Fourthly, With the heavenly host observing all creation in this battle to see that God did not bail out fallen man, because God did not cause the fall of man, man did and therefore, by man the problem must be rectified and human blood was the only means by which it could be accomplished. A man to be made equal in relationship to the Godhead but, not the Godhead. Being of the Godhead carried with it certain limitations brought on by its own Holiness for which the glorification of Jesus would be necessary. Which is why this from Paul, who had understanding in all of this; whose life was patterned after it as ours also is purposed to follow suit by the new birth:
"who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but [allowed Himself to be emptied of all vestiges of anything of the Divine of Himself], by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Philippians 2:6-11 (ESV)
[Emphasis mine]
Why the above except for this purpose set in the Mind of God for having created man:
"For it became him [God], for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory [again, God], to make the captain of their salvation [Jesus] perfect through sufferings" Hebrews 2:10 (KJV)
"That we should be to the praise of his glory , who [God] first trusted in Christ [Jesus]."
Ephesians 1:12 (KJV)
Jesus had to be fully man, sinless but with a choice. Keep in mind, death has no power over a sinless man. Death could never hold Him. Jesus could have resurrected Himself!
So what was the solution to the problem facing God? Part of the answer is above, Eph1:12 KJV [trust]
<Thoughtful answers only, please>
There is much more after this if we can agree and let it happen.
It has been written of me this: “. . . . you've tacitly admitted to being something other than a real Christian, . . . . who doesn’t] understand the simplest aspects of issues as fundamental to the Christian faith as what happened at Calvary.”
Before I begin explaining what “fundamentally” happened at Calvary, I would like first to clarify some of my last that landed me in hot water for reasons anti-thetical to objective thinking:
Lets check into some of these “simplest aspects” in the account of the Life of Jesus to see if I am violating/hindering the scriptures in the process of my sorting out the issues dealing with redemption and salvation God by Jesus as a man and by His allegiance Him depended upon, is correct. Lets permit the scriptures, without conjecture as possible, say what they say.
1. Jesus was not God before His “Resurrection. He was the only begotten, Son of God, subjected to his Father's will for the purpose of revealing all aspects of God and providing a way of rectification whereby man could be restored to having direct communion with Him.
A. Had He been God He could not have died. His human death was required. God can’t die.
B. Secondly, He would have known all things which He didn't. He was yet the instrument by which God would reconcile the world to Himself. Matt 24:36 KJV. This necessitated certain limitations placed upon him. God has no limitations in such matters.
C. Thirdly, Had Jesus been God, He would have not have needed to be tempted, nor could He have been. God can’t be tempted. So much for the subversive “wiles of the Devil”.
D. Fourthly, With the heavenly host observing all creation in this battle to see that God did not bail out fallen man, because God did not cause the fall of man, man did and therefore, by man the problem must be rectified and human blood was the only means by which it could be accomplished. A man to be made equal in relationship to the Godhead but, not the Godhead. Being of the Godhead carried with it certain limitations brought on by its own Holiness for which the glorification of Jesus would be necessary. Which is why this from Paul, who had understanding in all of this; whose life was patterned after it as ours also is purposed to follow suit by the new birth:
"who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but [allowed Himself to be emptied of all vestiges of anything of the Divine of Himself], by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Philippians 2:6-11 (ESV)
[Emphasis mine]
Why the above except for this purpose set in the Mind of God for having created man:
"For it became him [God], for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory [again, God], to make the captain of their salvation [Jesus] perfect through sufferings" Hebrews 2:10 (KJV)
"That we should be to the praise of his glory , who [God] first trusted in Christ [Jesus]."
Ephesians 1:12 (KJV)
Jesus had to be fully man, sinless but with a choice. Keep in mind, death has no power over a sinless man. Death could never hold Him. Jesus could have resurrected Himself!
So what was the solution to the problem facing God? Part of the answer is above, Eph1:12 KJV [trust]
<Thoughtful answers only, please>
There is much more after this if we can agree and let it happen.
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