IF SO BE WE SUFFER

[DougE]

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

I do not see this verse saying, as some do, that we are heirs; but to be joint-heirs, we must suffer with Christ.

I see this verse saying, that if so be, can be understood as saying, seeing, though, if indeed, or if it is so. Then the verse can be understood as; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together; or, if it is so that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

The emphasis in this verse is our glorification. we are heirs and joint-heirs, and will be glorified together with Christ.

We are to view suffering in light of our future glorification. Our response to suffering is to contrast our present sufferings to future glory, and acknowledge that our glorification far outweighs our sufferings. Romans 8:18

We are to comprehend that no suffering can seperate us from the love of God, in Christ.
Romans 8:39

 

[ttruscott]

Painful discipline, which is suffering, is the lot of every sinful legitimate child of GOD...it is necessary and inevitable until we are heaven ready and then we die: Heb 12:5-11. Does this relate?

 

[bibleverse2]

Painful disci0pline, which is suffering, is the lot of every sinful legitimate child of GOD...it is necessary and inevitable until we are heaven ready and then we die: Heb 12:5-11. . .

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

 

[comingfrom]

IF SO BE WE SUFFER

If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on My holy day;
and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable;
and shalt honour Him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD;
and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth,
and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father:
for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isaiah 58:13-14