Has the Church Replaced Israel ?

beloved57

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Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

No, The Church has always been Israel, but not Israel after the flesh, or the physical nation of Israel See within the physical nation of Israel was always a remnant according to the election of Grace, which is also Israel. Now under the Old Covenant Spiritual Israel, the Body of Christ was mostly comprised of saved jewish Christians. They would usually be persecuted by the non christian jews in the nation Matt 5:12


Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets[Believers in Crist] which were before you.

Lk 13:34


O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

Now under the New Covenant, Body of Christ Israel the election of Grace has been multiplied by saving and grafting in multitudes into Spiritual Israel, which is still the Body of Christ ! So The Body of Christ, Israel according to the Spirit, the Election of Grace is not a replacement, it always has been, its now clarified who they are.
 
beloved57

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When Paul wrote Rom 11:25-27


For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins

The All Israel that shall be saved is not the physical nation of Israel, but Spiritual Israel, the Body of Christ, comprised of Abrahams Spiritual seed of promise, consisting of jews and gentiles. So in this manner, by the calling in of the Gentile Elect, Sheep together with the jew elect sheep, all Israel shall be saved, the Body of Christ !
 
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Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

No, The Church has always been Israel, but not Israel after the flesh, or the physical nation of Israel See within the physical nation of Israel was always a remnant according to the election of Grace, which is also Israel. Now under the Old Covenant Spiritual Israel, the Body of Christ was mostly comprised of saved jewish Christians. They would usually be persecuted by the non christian jews in the nation Matt 5:12


Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets[Believers in Crist] which were before you.

Lk 13:34


O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

Now under the New Covenant, Body of Christ Israel the election of Grace has been multiplied by saving and grafting in multitudes into Spiritual Israel, which is still the Body of Christ ! So The Body of Christ, Israel according to the Spirit, the Election of Grace is not a replacement, it always has been, its now clarified who they are.
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Amen Brother to both parts ! The Israel that shall be Saved was always comprised exclusively of a Spiritual Seed:

A Mystery Rom. 11:25; the Seed / Body/ Sheep of Christ; Church; Whose Name is Israel Is. 49:3, and the Seed of Abraham Gal. 3:16, 29.

It is Christ's Spiritual Seed Eph. 1:4; 2 Tim. 1:9 which is comprised of all the House of Israel that shall be Saved Is. 45:17;

not ever based on physical ethnicity, but a Spiritual Seed / People: The Body of Christ, the Children of Promise Rom. 9:8.
 
beloved57

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Nanja

The Israel that shall be Saved was always comprised exclusively of a Spiritual Seed:
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Yes a remnant

A Mystery Rom. 11:25; the Seed / Body/ Sheep of Christ; Church; Whose Name is Israel Is. 49:3, and the Seed of Abraham Gal. 3:16, 29.
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Amen, and Christ and His Church are One, so they too are Israel !

It is Christ's Spiritual Seed Eph. 1:4; 2 Tim. 1:9 which is comprised of all the House of Israel that shall be Saved Is. 45:17;
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Well stated Sister !

not ever based on physical ethnicity, but a Spiritual Seed / People: The Body of Christ, the Children of Promise Rom. 9:8.
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Absolutely correct ! For Christ is the Saviour of His Body Israel in all Generations Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Nanja



Yes a remnant



Amen, and Christ and His Church are One, so they too are Israel !



Well stated Sister !



Absolutely correct ! For Christ is the Saviour of His Body Israel in all Generations Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
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Amen, and Thank You Brother !
 
beloved57

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The Church, the Body of Christ Israel, are those whom God foreknew, His People. Rom 11:1-2a

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people[Israel] which he foreknew.

The casting away of the nation of israel was not God casting away His People Israel the Church, the Body of Christ, the remnant according to the election of grace. Remember Paul had just wrote in Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel[foreknew], which are of Israel[national:

Those whom He foreknew in Christ to be conformed to His Image, is the Israel the Body of Christ Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This verse Identifies Israel, no not the ethnic nation, but the people of God Israel, the Children of God Israel
 
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Right Divider

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beloved57 said:
Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
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This verse is EXCLUDING unbelieving Israel from believing Israel. It is NOT magically including others into Israel.

Again you pervert the plain meaning of scripture because you force your false doctrines onto the scripture.
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
The Church, the Body of Christ Israel, are those whom God foreknew, His People. Rom 11:1-2a

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people[Israel] which he foreknew.

The casting away of the nation of israel was not God casting away His People Israel the Church, the Body of Christ, the remnant according to the election of race. Rember Paul had just wrote in Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel[foreknew], which are of Israel[national:

Those whom He foreknew in Christ to be conformed to His Image, is the Israel the Body of Christ Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This verse Identifies Israel, no not the ethnic nation, but the people of God Israel, the Children of God Israel
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Amen Brother, it's only the Foreknown Ones of God in Christ, His Body the Church He foreknew as His People Israel; the True Israel of God / His Church which was Promised the Eternal Inheritance [Heaven].

Now all those remaining outside of Christ's Church in that nation, shall hear Christ say: I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity Matt. 7:23.

So obviously they could not have been any of His People Israel which He foreknew as in Rom. 11:2 !
 
beloved57

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Right Divider said:
This verse is EXCLUDING unbelieving Israel from believing Israel. It is NOT magically including others into Israel.

Again you pervert the plain meaning of scripture because you force your false doctrines onto the scripture.
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Yes it is. Believing Israel was and is the Body of Christ. Unbelieving Israel is the physical nation
 
beloved57

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Nanja said:
Amen Brother, it's only the Foreknown Ones of God in Christ, His Body the Church He foreknew as His People Israel; the True Israel of God / His Church which was Promised the Eternal Inheritance [Heaven].

Now all those remaining outside of Christ's Church in that nation, shall hear Christ say: I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity Matt. 7:23.

So obviously they could not have been any of His People Israel which He foreknew as in Rom. 11:2 !
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Exactly Sister
 
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beloved57 said:
Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

No, The Church has always been Israel, but not Israel after the flesh, or the physical nation of Israel See within the physical nation of Israel was always a remnant according to the election of Grace, which is also Israel. Now under the Old Covenant Spiritual Israel, the Body of Christ was mostly comprised of saved jewish Christians. They would usually be persecuted by the non christian jews in the nation Matt 5:12


Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets[Believers in Crist] which were before you.

Lk 13:34


O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

Now under the New Covenant, Body of Christ Israel the election of Grace has been multiplied by saving and grafting in multitudes into Spiritual Israel, which is still the Body of Christ ! So The Body of Christ, Israel according to the Spirit, the Election of Grace is not a replacement, it always has been, its now clarified who they are.
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When He was already head of His Body at Mt Sinai handing His WIFE her living oracles she was already full of those NOT of Jacob ALL agreed to “I DO”...she was put away for her idolatrous adultery (you know thinking she could change times and Law) and when He came to win her back SHE KILLED HIM...despite “What Yah has joined let NO MAN separate” well she did...and His death terminated ALL MARRIAGE COVENANTS TO HER...she was free to marry another...

He resurrected looks for another bride willing to sign and “I DO” the NEW MARRIAGE CONTRACT...His taste in women has NOT changed...faithful AND obedient to Him His Ways...

A New Covenant with the SAME PEOPLE...SAME LAW...nothing about New upgrade Law version 2.0 Body of Christ...

Gentiles replace the Jews cut off for unbelief MATCHING the branches that were NOT cut off...baring the SAME FRUIT

OLIVE TO OLVE and NOT OLIVE from FIG...

What part of CIRCUMCISED HEART “INWARD JEW” MIND do you not understand? Once foreigner but NOW citizen of Israel...?

Gentiles came INTO the synagogues is WHY the Acts 15 council...James concluded they would KEEP hearing Moses every Sabbath Acts 15:21

Paul annoyed Romans teaching them to observe NOT ROMAN customs Acts 16:21

Some really do want to divide His kingdom...between those that do obey Him His Way vs those that claim they no longer need to obey Him His Way

even SATAN doesn’t divide his own house...even Satan believes but DOES NOT obey Him His ways...
 
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Bradley D

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There will come a day when all the heaven and earth will be the Kingdom of God.

"But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells" (2 Peter 3:13).
 
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Bradley D said:
There will come a day when all the heaven and earth will be the Kingdom of God.

"But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells" (2 Peter 3:13).
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Isaiah agrees “New heaven and new earth...from New Moon to New Moon Sabbath to Sabbath ALL will worship” Isaiah 66:22-23

prolly cuz

”Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and have the faith OF Yahushua”...

Makes sense as the commandments describe what life is like “where “I AM”..there ye may be also”...and thus finally ON EARTH it will be AS it is in Heaven JUST AS ...as it will be NOT MY WILL but Thine be done...
 
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