God made Him
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Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior
2. Do you believe that God made Jesus Christ?
Greetings RgMiller,
2 Corinthians 5:17-21 (KJV): 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Kind regards
Trevor
Welcome to the forum. The context tells us that the “he” of verse 21 is God, and this is the one God, the Father, and the “him” is Christ, and this is our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
2 Corinthians 5:17-21 (KJV): 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Even though the immediate context is not speaking of God creating Jesus, but yes, I believe that God created Jesus and that He is the firstborn of the New Creation.
Kind regards
Trevor
I said
Of course.
[Col 1:15
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
3. Do you believe you are a new creature?
4. Do you believe the image of the invisible God is sin?
No. Jesus Christ is not created.
5. Then why do you believe the author of this verse
which states that God made Him?
6. Do you believe that God created Jesus to be sin?
Greetings again RgMiller,
Kind regards
Trevor
Yes, when we believe the gospel and are baptised we arise as a new creature in Christ.
The new creation in a believer is patterned off Jesus and is not sin. There is both an initial and gradual process of replacement of the thinking and the ways of the flesh with the thinking and ways of the Spirit.
You are putting the wrong emphasis on the word “made”. Even though the immediate context is not speaking of God creating Jesus, but yes, I believe that God created Jesus and that He is the firstborn of the New Creation.
Kind regards
Trevor
He made Him to be sin FOR us. God didn't make Himself. Which means He didn't create Jesus Christ, He was with the Father in the beginning and Jesus Christ created all things.
7. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is sin?
6. Do you believe that God created Jesus to be sin?
"Him" is Jesus Christ.
The Father imputed sin to Christ on the cross so that those who trust in His work of suffering for the sins of humanity might be imputed His righteousness and be justified by faith in GOD's sight.
No way. He became sin to take ours away.
8. Do you believe the Father is Christ?
9. If Jesus Christ became sin then would He not be sin?
Greetings again RgMiller,
Kind regards
Trevor
This will be my last response for a few hours. Yes Jesus was made sin, but this can only be understood properly if we understand the role of Jesus as the Sin bearer, and also the figure of metonymy, and possibly Romans 8:3 and 1 Peter 2:18-25 need to be carefully considered to explain the terminology here in 2 Corinthians 5:21. I appreciate your quick fire questions, but I am not sure that you have explained what you believe here.
Kind regards
Trevor
7. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is sin?