God and Man, Christians and Katrina

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God and Man, Christians and Katrina

Monday September 12th, 2005. This is show # 181.

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Just in the last few weeks, it's been announced, that scientists have decoded the entire genome, the DNA, of chimpanzees. ...And they find out that there are some millions of differences in the genes between humans and apes. Millions. ...And it takes a generation for a mutation to have a chance of getting to any other organisms. And so just to get one mutation in one baby chimpanzee through the population of chimps is going to take a number of generations depending on the size of the population. ...And you need millions of genetic differences to occur in a couple million years. That's not possible. That's a fantasy.
 

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allsmiles said:
i wasn't able to listen to it...

what does this have to do with katrina?
Yeah, I wasn't expecting a human-chimp diatribe either. With respect to the topic of the post, if not the thread,

"Humans and chimps have evolved separately since splitting from a common ancestor about 6 million years ago, and their DNA remains highly similar -- about 96 percent to almost 99 percent identical, depending on how the comparison is made.

Still, the number of genetic differences between a human and a chimp is about 10 times more than between any two humans, the federal genome institute says. It's the differences -- some 40 million -- that attract the attention of scientists." Not the magnitude of that difference, mind you; the article goes on to say that these guys are looking to see which genetic differences might be responsible for the morphological differences we see.

This last number is no doubt the number that's got Bob so excited. 40 million differences, in base pairs, that is. I'm intrigued by the previous number, though. You pick any two humans and they are likely to differ by some 4 million base pairs. What does that mean, exactly? Perhaps it means that "40 million differences" does not quite mean what Bob thinks it means.
 

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allsmiles said:
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what does this have to do with katrina?
Nothing. Bob often discusses 3 or 4 topics on one show. Somethimes the topic of the title of the show is different from the topic of the best quote of the show.
 

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Jefferson said:
Nothing. Bob often discusses 3 or 4 topics on one show. Somethimes the topic of the title of the show is different from the topic of the best quote of the show.
It may be the best quote of the show, but let's hope it's not the best-informed quote of the show!
 

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Jefferson said:
Nothing. Bob often discusses 3 or 4 topics on one show. Somethimes the topic of the title of the show is different from the topic of the best quote of the show.

right on :thumb:
 

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Oy... my father, with a degree in biology, always reminds me that when the clich'e came out that we use only 10% of our brains, he was skeptical (and this was in the late 60's, or perhaps the early 70's). As I understand it, it comes from a quote from a famous brain scientist that was cut short. In fact, the quote is more like "we use 10% of our brains at a time." Wow, that's a lot of neurons working in parallel. And I think, if I remember what my dad said correctly, that we use almost all of our brain every 2 minutes or so. That's even more amazing!

Anyhow, I guess I'll call Bob and mention that he needs to correct that point.

Oh, and aharvey back me up on this if I'm right, the entire human genome hasn't been decoded, but only the parts that scientists consider matters. Lots of the "junk DNA" is ignored.

Of course, aharvey doesn't have to back this up; I'll make a bold prediction that we have barely scratched the surface on really decoding the human genome. I think Bob should amend his remarks about that statement as well.
 

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Yorzhik said:
Oh, and aharvey back me up on this if I'm right, the entire human genome hasn't been decoded, but only the parts that scientists consider matters. Lots of the "junk DNA" is ignored.

Of course, aharvey doesn't have to back this up; I'll make a bold prediction that we have barely scratched the surface on really decoding the human genome. I think Bob should amend his remarks about that statement as well.
The Human Genome Project, to the best of my knowledge, did not deal with non-coding DNA (aka "junk" DNA: regions of DNA that do not code for genes). I do not know if they expanded their scope as it became clear that noncoding regions often do something, but I kinda doubt it.
 

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Hey who's this caller, Billy? He said he was reading the debate.

Come clean, Billy. If you post here, who are you? :D
 
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