Gentiles grafted into the commonwealth of Israel !

beloved57

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Paul wrote as it pertaineth to the Mystery,

Eph 2:11-13

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Now the Gentiles are part of the commonweath of Israel, One Body Eph 2:16

and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Paul illustrates this truth here n Rom 11:17,24

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;


For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

The Good olive tree is the commonwealth of Israel, Spiritual Israel, not the ethnic nation of israel. See there were two Israels, Pau brings that point out here Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

One of these is Spiritual Israel the commonweath, and the other is national ethnic israel pertaining to the flesh !


The Gentile converts were grafted into Israel the commonwealth Spiritual Israel, the elect remnant of Grace within national israel !
 

beloved57

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The commonwealth of Israel within the physical nation, God never willed or purposed to cut them off, for they are the remnant according to the election of Grace Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. These are Gods People whom He foreknew Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.[See Rom 8:29] These are His Sheep Jn 10:14

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
 

clefty

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The commonwealth of Israel within the physical nation, God never willed or purposed to cut them off, for they are the remnant according to the election of Grace Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. These are Gods People whom He foreknew Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.[See Rom 8:29] These are His Sheep Jn 10:14

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Ironic He came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel...after having elected to make them lost first...
 

beloved57

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So if Gentiles have been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, that makes them Israel. No not national ethnic Israel the spiritual Ishmael's, but spiritual Israel, the spiritual Isaac's, the children of promise. Paul speaking to the body of Christ composed of both Jews and Gentile believers in Christ says to them Gal 4:28
28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
 

DougE

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Paul wrote as it pertaineth to the Mystery,

Eph 2:11-13

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Now the Gentiles are part of the commonweath of Israel, One Body Eph 2:16

and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Paul illustrates this truth here n Rom 11:17,24

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;


For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

The Good olive tree is the commonwealth of Israel, Spiritual Israel, not the ethnic nation of israel. See there were two Israels, Pau brings that point out here Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

One of these is Spiritual Israel the commonweath, and the other is national ethnic israel pertaining to the flesh !


The Gentile converts were grafted into Israel the commonwealth Spiritual Israel, the elect remnant of Grace within national israel !

The Gentiles grafted in are those Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom preached by Jesus and the twelve apostles, these Gentiles are not in the body of Christ, but those who will, as part of the remnant of Israel, enter the kingdom on earth.

Romans 9 through 11 is about Israel, not the church, the body of Christ.
Romans 9:24 Not only the Jews believed the gospel of the kingdom, and the preaching of Jesus and the twelve, but also Gentiles (Acts 10:45). This was not our gospel of grace. They only believed on the name of Jesus (John 3:18 John 20:31).
Romans 9:27 This is identifying the remnant of Israel as what Paul is talking about. The remnant is the believing Jews and Gentiles who will enter the promised kingdom on earth (Isaiah 2:2-3 Exodus 19:5-6).
Romans 9:30 Those Gentiles had faith, which Israel rejected.
Romans 11:5 At the time Paul was writing, the remnant of Israel, Jew and Gentile, were participants in the church.
Romans 11:11 The believing Gentiles would provoke unbelieving Israel to jealousy.
Romans 11:13 Paul was speaking to the Gentiles, not in the body of Christ, but in the remnant of Israel.
Romans 11:17 The Gentiles were grafted into the remnant of Israel.
Romans 11:20 Unbelieving Israel was broken off the tree. The Gentiles were grafted in by faith
Romans 11:20 The Gentiles could also be broken off branches.
Romans 11:25-27 Israel will be saved.
 

beloved57

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The Gentiles grafted in are those Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom preached by Jesus and the twelve apostles, these Gentiles are not in the body of Christ, but those who will, as part of the remnant of Israel, enter the kingdom on earth.

Romans 9 through 11 is about Israel, not the church, the body of Christ.
Romans 9:24 Not only the Jews believed the gospel of the kingdom, and the preaching of Jesus and the twelve, but also Gentiles (Acts 10:45). This was not our gospel of grace. They only believed on the name of Jesus (John 3:18 John 20:31).
Romans 9:27 This is identifying the remnant of Israel as what Paul is talking about. The remnant is the believing Jews and Gentiles who will enter the promised kingdom on earth (Isaiah 2:2-3 Exodus 19:5-6).
Romans 9:30 Those Gentiles had faith, which Israel rejected.
Romans 11:5 At the time Paul was writing, the remnant of Israel, Jew and Gentile, were participants in the church.
Romans 11:11 The believing Gentiles would provoke unbelieving Israel to jealousy.
Romans 11:13 Paul was speaking to the Gentiles, not in the body of Christ, but in the remnant of Israel.
Romans 11:17 The Gentiles were grafted into the remnant of Israel.
Romans 11:20 Unbelieving Israel was broken off the tree. The Gentiles were grafted in by faith
Romans 11:20 The Gentiles could also be broken off branches.
Romans 11:25-27 Israel will be saved.

The Gentile believers paul wrote to in Eph 2 are part of the commonwealth of Israel! Israel the commonwealth and church/boc are the exact same
 

clefty

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The Gentiles grafted in are those Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom preached by Jesus and the twelve apostles, these Gentiles are not in the body of Christ, but those who will, as part of the remnant of Israel, enter the kingdom on earth.

Romans 9 through 11 is about Israel, not the church, the body of Christ.
Romans 9:24 Not only the Jews believed the gospel of the kingdom, and the preaching of Jesus and the twelve, but also Gentiles (Acts 10:45). This was not our gospel of grace. They only believed on the name of Jesus (John 3:18 John 20:31).
Romans 9:27 This is identifying the remnant of Israel as what Paul is talking about. The remnant is the believing Jews and Gentiles who will enter the promised kingdom on earth (Isaiah 2:2-3 Exodus 19:5-6).
Romans 9:30 Those Gentiles had faith, which Israel rejected.
Romans 11:5 At the time Paul was writing, the remnant of Israel, Jew and Gentile, were participants in the church.
Romans 11:11 The believing Gentiles would provoke unbelieving Israel to jealousy.
Romans 11:13 Paul was speaking to the Gentiles, not in the body of Christ, but in the remnant of Israel.
Romans 11:17 The Gentiles were grafted into the remnant of Israel.
Romans 11:20 Unbelieving Israel was broken off the tree. The Gentiles were grafted in by faith
Romans 11:20 The Gentiles could also be broken off branches.
Romans 11:25-27 Israel will be saved.

Not even in biology can fig branches graft into olive trees...they have to be the same family...not olives from fig tree or figs from grapevine James 3:12

You divide the kingdom as if the branches grafted in do NOT match the branches that remain NOT cut off for unbelief...

Peter was clear Yah made NO DISTINCTION Acts 15:9 even a blind pagan could distinguish the group who claimed they could fry up some bacon...lol

Paul was clear once foreigners they were now sovereign citizens of the common wealth of Israel as the middle wall of division between Jew and Gentiles was destroyed this did not mean Jews could now worship another god make idols or kill steal and lie etc...but that gentiles cam into a lawful kingdom family...

The enmity of Jews towards the goyim was abolished in His Flesh which means Jews were to let them in...and not because the Jews were released to partake of the goyim’s food and drink and licentiousness...

Paul told gentiles to copy him as he copied Christ...which included His demonstrating a continuance of what was taught from Moses’ seat...and already then Moses knew Israel was full of those NOT OF JACOB...

The Acts 15 council upholds all of it for gentiles...even keeping clean meats clean...

As if a Greek could bring a Ham to Sabbath pot luck fellowship after hearing Moses taught...

“But I made sure this Ham was not offered to an idol and all its blood is drained!” LOL

Or did the council rule gentiles are allowed to

Worship another god
Make idols
Blaspheme His name
Dishonor parents
Kill
Steal
Lie
Covet

Notice it’s 8 here because as already noted keeping Sabbath and no adultery was ruled as still binding to the gentiles...

Just like it was as Stephen said Acts 7:38 when He was already giving the living oracles to the ekklesia in OT the wilderness when this Body, of which He is Head of, #was already full of those NOT OF JACOB...and they ALL partake of the spiritual food and drink of Him 1 Cor 10:4

Because

For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink 1 Cor 12:13
 

Nanja

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So if Gentiles have been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, that makes them Israel. No not national ethnic Israel the spiritual Ishmael's, but spiritual Israel, the spiritual Isaac's, the children of promise. Paul speaking to the body of Christ composed of both Jews and Gentile believers in Christ says to them Gal 4:28
28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.



Amen Brother to all 3 parts!

These Brethren in Gal. 4:28 are all God's Elect 1 Pet. 1:2; the Children of Promise Rom. 9:8; One Body Eph. 2:16 in Christ;

The spiritual Isaacs and the spiritual Seed of Abraham: People of Faith Gal. 5:22 whether they be jew or Gentile.

And they comprise the only Israel of God that was promised Salvation Is. 45:17.
 
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beloved57

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Amen Brother to all 3 parts!

These Brethren in Gal. 4:28 are all God's Elect 1 Pet. 1:2; the Children of Promise Rom. 9:8; One Body Eph. 2:16 in Christ;

The spiritual Isaacs and the spiritual Seed of Abraham: People of Faith Gal. 5:22 whether they be jew or Gentile.

And they comprise the only Israel of God that was promised Salvation Is. 45:17.

Exactly Sister!
 

beloved57

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Eph 2:13-15

but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Now we know Paul is talking about Old Testament Israel here, with the ordinances, law of commandments, middle wall of partition, but now OT Israel, the commonwealth, the election of grace Eph 1:4, now this commonwealth has joined to it gentiles of the same election of grace Eph 1:4 and this forms, manifests One New Israel commonwealth which is the Church, and always has been the church of Christ.
 

Nanja

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Eph 2:13-15

but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Now we know Paul is talking about Old Testament Israel here, with the ordinances, law of commandments, middle wall of partition, but now OT Israel, the commonwealth, the election of grace Eph 1:4, now this commonwealth has joined to it gentiles of the same election of grace Eph 1:4 and this forms, manifests One New Israel commonwealth which is the Church, and always has been the church of Christ.

Amen Brother, all God's Election of Grace Eph. 1:4, OT [the commonwealth] and New Covenant Saints, are made In Christ one New Man Eph. 2:15,
and together constitute the fulness of Christ's Body; the Perfect completed Church Heb. 11:40 made up of Believers In Him from all time: Indeed One New Israel !
 

beloved57

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Amen Brother, all God's Election of Grace Eph. 1:4, OT [the commonwealth] and New Covenant Saints, are made In Christ one New Man Eph. 2:15,
and together constitute the fulness of Christ's Body; the Perfect completed Church Heb. 11:40 made up of Believers In Him from all time: Indeed One New Israel !

Amen Sister!
 
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