Gay Marriage Supporters Attack Free Speech
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jeffblue101
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Margaret Court 
Greg Jennings
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I don't really care about homosexuality but, imo, Court has every right to hold that view. I don't like where the world is going, where even considering a "questionable" opinion is seen as blasphemous. People need to grow up a little bit and realize there are real problems in the world
[FONT="]Australian, a 24-time grand slam singles champion turned Christian pastor.[/FONT]Margaret Court
There is only one problem and that is sin.
annabenedetti
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She also expressed her support for apartheid when Arthur Ashe was denied entry to South Africa:
“It is a tragedy that politics has come into sport,” Court told The New Zealand Herald in 1970, “but if you ask me, South Africa has the racial situation rather better organized than anyone else, certainly much better than the United States.”
Why would the level of someone's tennis-playing ability have any bearing on their right to disagree with Court's views?
nonsense. Margaret Court is free to say any stupid and hateful thing she wants. However, like every other adult on the planet, she also gets to face the consequence of saying stupid and hateful things.
Her comment was not stupid or hateful whatsoever. The hatred and stupidity is expressed by gay marriage supporters. The difference between gay marriage supporters and ISIS using the same tactics is only a matter of degree!
WizardofOz
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For anyone interested, here is the actual quote:
| "You stand with values for family and different things, so you are a voice, and then you get persecuted for that. You are not hating the people. You love the people, but you get taken that way. And I say marriage is between a man and a woman." (January 2017) |
WizardofOz
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I don't recall you saying much about abortion in China either :think:
Ashe died at the ripe old age of 49 from AIDS, which he believed he contracted through a blood transfusion.
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0710.html
What are the chances that a HIV infected homosexual was responsible for giving Ashe tainted blood that brought about his untimely death?
I am not a gay marriage supporter who vilifies anyone who expresses an opinion contrary to gay marriage. The question is not abortion in China, but why gay marriage advocates vilify those who disagree with them. It is lies to assert that anyone who disagrees with gay marriage does so out of a hatred of gays!
Greg Jennings
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Well. That changes my opinion a little bit
They suggested removing Margaret Court's name from the centre court where the Australian Open is played. That is totally unwarranted. Margaret Court is the world's greatest women tennis champion from any era!
Look at her record. Lesser tennis champions should respect her achievements, and not use her gay marriage stance to stain her tennis immortality
Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti
She also expressed her support for apartheid when Arthur Ashe was denied entry to South Africa:
“It is a tragedy that politics has come into sport,” Court told The New Zealand Herald in 1970, “but if you ask me, South Africa has the racial situation rather better organized than anyone else, certainly much better than the United States.”
Africa falls to communism
NELSON & WINNIE MANDELA
In 1944, Nelson Mandela became a member of the ANC. In 1952, he was confined to the Magisterial District of Johannesburg, South Africa; in 1956 he was charged with high treason, tried, and acquitted. In 1961, when the ANC was outlawed, Mandela evaded arrest but was jailed in November 1962 for five years. Mandela and his fellow revolutionaries were caught red-handed with: 48,000 Soviet-made anti-personnel mines, 210,000 hand grenades, and documents showing proof of involvement of Moscow, Algeria, China, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany in financing and backing a communist revolution in South Africa. Mandela admitted his guilt, was convicted after a free and fair trial, and was sentenced to life imprisonment on June 11, 1964. He was charged under the Suppression of Communism Act and was tried between October 1963 and June 1964. During this trial, a 62-page document in Mandela's own handwriting entitled How To Be a Good Communist was offered as evidence. This was the famous Rivonia Trial, named after Johannesburg’s fashionable suburb in the north, where in June and July 1963 the South African authorities found huge quantities of equipment designed for civil war.
At that time, Mandela was incarcerated not because he held unpopular political opinions (communist), but because he was convicted of 23 acts of sabotage and of conspiring to overthrow the government. The South African President P. Botha offered him freedom if he would renounce violence, but Mandela always refused the offer.
One of the most insightful descriptions of Mandela's political views is found in The Richmond News-Leader of May 2, 1986:
"The story goes that South Africa's jailed Nelson Mandela, and his wife Winnie are just your standard garden-variety moderates who want freedom for their country. But consider this. Moscow's communist party newspaper Pravda recently carried a story about Winnie Mandela, quoting her as saying: 'The Soviet Union is the torch-bearer for all our hopes and aspirations. We have learned and are continuing to learn resilience and bravery from the Soviet people, who are an example to us in our struggle for freedom, a model of loyalty to internationalist duty. In Soviet Russia, genuine power of the people has been transformed from dreams into reality. The land of the Soviets is the genuine friend and ally of all peoples fighting against the dark forces of world reaction.'
"This is not the swoony stuff of a dizzy moderate, but the disciplined ideologuese of a Soviet stooge."
Furthermore, Winnie Mandela's true colors and those of the ANC were revealed at Munsieville, on April 13, 1986, when she said: "With our boxes of matches and our necklaces ["necklacing:" a torture in which a gasoline-filled tire is placed around the neck of a victim and set ablaze], we shall liberate this country." (South African Digest, April 18, 1986, p. 324)
South Africa, meanwhile, given over by F.W. de Klerk and Pik Botha to the Marxist African National Congress, has turned into a cauldron of murder, rape, AIDS and anarchy.
Nelson Mandela has long had strong ties to the MPLA, as the Marxist Angolan regime has provided Mandela's African National Congress with a haven for its terrorist training bases.
In fact, upon his release from prison, Mandela gave a speech in Angola's capital of Luanda on May 10, 1990, in which he said: "The ANC brought young people into Angola to receive military training. This was indeed a major turning point in the history of South Africa. The progress we have made in our armed struggle is owed largely to Angola. Angola allowed us not only to receive arms from friendly countries abroad, but also allowed us to establish camp and gave us freedom to train our soldiers." ("A TRAGEDY IN ANGOLA: DeBeers, Clinton's executive order seeks to destroy anti-communist rebel movement," WorldNetDaily, January 30, 2000)
Mandela has committed numerous terrorist acts. Mandela ordered the infamous Church Street bombing, which went off at rush hour to maximize casualties of Afrikaner women, children and babies. He also told the black youth of South Africa at one point to "burn down" their schools. Mandela recently traveled to Libya and presented Qaddafi with South Africa's highest military medal.
His support of other communist dictatorships is blatant. In July 1991, Nelson and Winnie Mandela were in Cuba to celebrate the communist revolution with Fidel Castro. As Winnie referred to Cuba "as our second home," Nelson Mandela addressed the ceremony saying,
"Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro... Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny... There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people."
RUSSIAN AID AND INFLUENCE IN SOUTH AFRICA
According to one estimate, Russian and East-bloc funding of the ANC was around 30 million dollars in 1985. Also, "... the party in South Africa has a notorious reputation for abject servility to Moscow, having proclaimed its approval of Soviet interventions in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and most recently Afghanistan." (Toledo Blade, August 10, 1986, p. C3)
The U.S. Department of Defense recognizes the Russian inroads into South Africa: "In addition to working for South Africa's diplomatic isolation, the USSR seeks to exploit internal discord in that country [as] the Soviets hope to gain greater influence in the area." (US Department of Defense, Soviet Military Power, Washington: 1986, p. 133)
http://www.tldm.org/news2/africa.htm
I'm sure that annab would have eventually gotten around to posting the above.
She also expressed her support for apartheid when Arthur Ashe was denied entry to South Africa:
“It is a tragedy that politics has come into sport,” Court told The New Zealand Herald in 1970, “but if you ask me, South Africa has the racial situation rather better organized than anyone else, certainly much better than the United States.”
Africa falls to communism
NELSON & WINNIE MANDELA
In 1944, Nelson Mandela became a member of the ANC. In 1952, he was confined to the Magisterial District of Johannesburg, South Africa; in 1956 he was charged with high treason, tried, and acquitted. In 1961, when the ANC was outlawed, Mandela evaded arrest but was jailed in November 1962 for five years. Mandela and his fellow revolutionaries were caught red-handed with: 48,000 Soviet-made anti-personnel mines, 210,000 hand grenades, and documents showing proof of involvement of Moscow, Algeria, China, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany in financing and backing a communist revolution in South Africa. Mandela admitted his guilt, was convicted after a free and fair trial, and was sentenced to life imprisonment on June 11, 1964. He was charged under the Suppression of Communism Act and was tried between October 1963 and June 1964. During this trial, a 62-page document in Mandela's own handwriting entitled How To Be a Good Communist was offered as evidence. This was the famous Rivonia Trial, named after Johannesburg’s fashionable suburb in the north, where in June and July 1963 the South African authorities found huge quantities of equipment designed for civil war.
At that time, Mandela was incarcerated not because he held unpopular political opinions (communist), but because he was convicted of 23 acts of sabotage and of conspiring to overthrow the government. The South African President P. Botha offered him freedom if he would renounce violence, but Mandela always refused the offer.
One of the most insightful descriptions of Mandela's political views is found in The Richmond News-Leader of May 2, 1986:
"The story goes that South Africa's jailed Nelson Mandela, and his wife Winnie are just your standard garden-variety moderates who want freedom for their country. But consider this. Moscow's communist party newspaper Pravda recently carried a story about Winnie Mandela, quoting her as saying: 'The Soviet Union is the torch-bearer for all our hopes and aspirations. We have learned and are continuing to learn resilience and bravery from the Soviet people, who are an example to us in our struggle for freedom, a model of loyalty to internationalist duty. In Soviet Russia, genuine power of the people has been transformed from dreams into reality. The land of the Soviets is the genuine friend and ally of all peoples fighting against the dark forces of world reaction.'
"This is not the swoony stuff of a dizzy moderate, but the disciplined ideologuese of a Soviet stooge."
Furthermore, Winnie Mandela's true colors and those of the ANC were revealed at Munsieville, on April 13, 1986, when she said: "With our boxes of matches and our necklaces ["necklacing:" a torture in which a gasoline-filled tire is placed around the neck of a victim and set ablaze], we shall liberate this country." (South African Digest, April 18, 1986, p. 324)
South Africa, meanwhile, given over by F.W. de Klerk and Pik Botha to the Marxist African National Congress, has turned into a cauldron of murder, rape, AIDS and anarchy.
Nelson Mandela has long had strong ties to the MPLA, as the Marxist Angolan regime has provided Mandela's African National Congress with a haven for its terrorist training bases.
In fact, upon his release from prison, Mandela gave a speech in Angola's capital of Luanda on May 10, 1990, in which he said: "The ANC brought young people into Angola to receive military training. This was indeed a major turning point in the history of South Africa. The progress we have made in our armed struggle is owed largely to Angola. Angola allowed us not only to receive arms from friendly countries abroad, but also allowed us to establish camp and gave us freedom to train our soldiers." ("A TRAGEDY IN ANGOLA: DeBeers, Clinton's executive order seeks to destroy anti-communist rebel movement," WorldNetDaily, January 30, 2000)
Mandela has committed numerous terrorist acts. Mandela ordered the infamous Church Street bombing, which went off at rush hour to maximize casualties of Afrikaner women, children and babies. He also told the black youth of South Africa at one point to "burn down" their schools. Mandela recently traveled to Libya and presented Qaddafi with South Africa's highest military medal.
His support of other communist dictatorships is blatant. In July 1991, Nelson and Winnie Mandela were in Cuba to celebrate the communist revolution with Fidel Castro. As Winnie referred to Cuba "as our second home," Nelson Mandela addressed the ceremony saying,
"Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro... Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny... There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people."
RUSSIAN AID AND INFLUENCE IN SOUTH AFRICA
According to one estimate, Russian and East-bloc funding of the ANC was around 30 million dollars in 1985. Also, "... the party in South Africa has a notorious reputation for abject servility to Moscow, having proclaimed its approval of Soviet interventions in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and most recently Afghanistan." (Toledo Blade, August 10, 1986, p. C3)
The U.S. Department of Defense recognizes the Russian inroads into South Africa: "In addition to working for South Africa's diplomatic isolation, the USSR seeks to exploit internal discord in that country [as] the Soviets hope to gain greater influence in the area." (US Department of Defense, Soviet Military Power, Washington: 1986, p. 133)
http://www.tldm.org/news2/africa.htm
I'm sure that annab would have eventually gotten around to posting the above.
Greg Jennings
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I recall reading that Mandela was a member of the ANC, which is a socialist organization or at least it was. But Mandela didn't really behave like a communist tyrant, so I assume he came around at some point.
Part of the beauty of his story is how far he came while jailed. Remember, all the white people thought he was going to opress them and start a full-on race war. But that didn't happen. He learned from his admittedly horrible mistakes, and he paid the price for them too
Did they attack her right to say it or just express an opinion about what she said? A quote would help.
Or they don't like the message...or how it was phrased. Hard to say without the quote and their actual reactions.
Of course they do. It's simply a legal/ethical one and not one of a religious nature. Or not a Christian one.
lain:Ah, okay. So we know she's at least one kind of bigot.
Again quotes would help make the case to be made.
So is a fingernail trim and an amputation. Just a matter of degree.