Fox News Gets Wrong Sex Selection Answer

[Jefferson]

Fox News Gets Wrong Sex Selection Answer

This is the show from Tuesday, June 5th 2012.

SUMMARY:

* Bob Airs the Audio from Jo Scott's Unaired TV Interview: Once again a fabulous sting operation by Lila Rose is being hijacked by fundraisers, lawyers and politicians to distract pro-lifers from actually fighting to end abortion by promoting a sex-selection "and then you can kill the baby" regulation.

* Republican Federal Judges Rule Defense of Marriage Unconstitutional: As suspected by BEL, and as typical of many anti-child, anti-marriage, anti-family rulings, the federal panel that ruled the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional was controlled by Republican judges appointed by Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr. Another example of a typical Republican ruling is Roe v. Wade itself which was passed by a Republican majority and authored by Republican Justice Harry Blackmun.

* Pot Mom: Bob mentions Pot Mom, the Phoenix pot-smoking mother who drove away leaving her baby on the roof of her car.

* Planned Parenthood and Mitt Romney: The abortion chain and the Republican presidential candidate are longtime partners, albeit also competitors. Jo and Bob discuss Romney, Planned Parenthood, Republicans, and the source of the moral confusion that now swamps even pro-life churches and they recommend the Romney Pro-life Profile!

* Creation Meeting June 8th: You're invited to attend the Rocky Mtn. Creation Fellowship meeting at 7 p.m. on June 8th! And in the meantime, see DinosaurSoftTissue.com and the stunning RSF's List of Not So Old Things.

* Will Retiring Neal Boortz Keep His Word to BEL: During the Boortz/Enyart Debate on a National Sales Tax, Neal Boortz promised the audience that he would put a link to that debate on his own homepage for a week. Neal has yet to do that. Any suggestions on how to get Neal to keep his word on this?

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[Lighthouse]

Listening to this next, when I'm done with the previous episode.

When is last night's going up?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

"* Pot Mom: Bob mentions Pot Mom, the Phoenix pot-smoking mother who drove away leaving her baby on the roof of her car."

If only dope were legal, then pot-smoking moms wouldn't drive with their infant child on the roof of the car (they'd secure them in the trunk).

Right Ralphie?

 

[WizardofOz]

"* Pot Mom: Bob mentions Pot Mom, the Phoenix pot-smoking mother who drove away leaving her baby on the roof of her car."

If only dope were legal, then pot-smoking moms wouldn't drive with their infant child on the roof of the car (they'd secure them in the trunk).

Right Ralphie?

I'll mention drunk dad, the Fort Wayne father who drove drunk with his kids strapped to the hood of his car.

If only alcohol were illegal, then drunk dads wouldn't drive with their children on the hood of their car.

Right? :doh:

Be what you are, alacarte.

But...but....but, that's different.

 

[Frayed Knot]

* Bob Airs the Audio from Jo Scott's Unaired TV Interview: Once again a fabulous sting operation by Lila Rose is being hijacked by fundraisers, lawyers and politicians to distract pro-lifers from actually fighting to end abortion by promoting a sex-selection "and then you can kill the baby" regulation.

I agree that the sex-selection regulations are misguided. If a person has the view that abortion is OK, then what's wrong with abortion to select for sex? I say this as one of those people who views abortion as OK.

If it got to the point that significantly more of one sex of kids were being born due to this kind of selection, then that would possibly be an issue, but at least in the US, there is very little sex-selection abortion going on, and when it does happen, people are looking to have both boys and girls in about equal numbers. Typically it would be a family that has a boy or two already, or a girl or two already, and they'd like to try once more for a kid of the other sex. Our demographics will probably never be to the point where sex-selective abortions are an issue.

 

[Lighthouse]

I agree that the sex-selection regulations are misguided. If a person has the view that abortion is OK, then what's wrong with abortion to select for sex? I say this as one of those people who views abortion as OK.

If it got to the point that significantly more of one sex of kids were being born due to this kind of selection, then that would possibly be an issue, but at least in the US, there is very little sex-selection abortion going on, and when it does happen, people are looking to have both boys and girls in about equal numbers. Typically it would be a family that has a boy or two already, or a girl or two already, and they'd like to try once more for a kid of the other sex. Our demographics will probably never be to the point where sex-selective abortions are an issue.

Unless China actually does take over.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I'll mention drunk dad, the Fort Wayne father who drove drunk with his kids strapped to the hood of his car.

If only alcohol were illegal, then drunk dads wouldn't drive with their children on the hood of their car.

Actually Ralphie, in order to see the difference between alcohol consumption and recreational drug use you'd have to believe in God and read Scripture (one is moral if done responsibly, the other isn't).

And yes, the consumption of alcohol has been terribly abused, yet you want to unleash recreational drugs on the same society that can't even handle responsiblie alcohol consumption?

By the way, it appears that youth (you know them, the ones that aren't supposed to be getting their hands on drugs) are smoking more dope than they are cigarettes.

"``These high rates of marijuana use during the teen and pre-teen years, when the brain continues to develop, place our young people at particular risk,'' National Institute for Drug Abuse director Dr. Nora Volkow said in a statement.

``Not only does marijuana affect learning, judgment, and motor skills, but research tells us that about one in six people who start using it as adolescents become addicted.''

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest...e-more-marijuana-than-tobacco-says-new-survey

There will be victims along the way to true liberty (true liberty in the Libertarian world means the ability to do with one's body as he or she pleases, even if it is immoral in the eyes of God).

Right Ralphie?

 

[Letsargue]

Actually Ralphie, in order to see the difference between alcohol consumption and recreational drug use you'd have to believe in God and read Scripture (one is moral if done responsibly, the other isn't).

And yes, the consumption of alcohol has been terribly abused, yet you want to unleash recreational drugs on the same society that can't even handle responsiblie alcohol consumption?

By the way, it appears that youth (you know them, the ones that aren't supposed to be getting their hands on drugs) are smoking more dope than they are cigarettes.

"``These high rates of marijuana use during the teen and pre-teen years, when the brain continues to develop, place our young people at particular risk,'' National Institute for Drug Abuse director Dr. Nora Volkow said in a statement.

``Not only does marijuana affect learning, judgment, and motor skills, but research tells us that about one in six people who start using it as adolescents become addicted.''

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest...e-more-marijuana-than-tobacco-says-new-survey

There will be victims along the way to true liberty (true liberty in the Libertarian world means the ability to do with one's body as he or she pleases, even if it is immoral in the eyes of God).

Right Ralphie?

Welcome to the Judging, - " The Judgment of God" without "THE END". --- What else could anyone expect???? - Who did it? -- ALL YOUR VOTES DID IT!!

Paul -- 060812

 

[WizardofOz]

And yes, the consumption of alcohol has been terribly abused, yet you want to unleash recreational drugs on the same society that can't even handle responsiblie alcohol consumption?

:doh:
Marijuana is illegal! This woman still smoked it. So, this has absolutely nothing to do with the legality of it. So much for "the law is a deterrent".

The law didn't deter this woman. You cannot legislate against stupid. You would have been locked up long ago.

Driving under the influence is and still would be a crime even if marijuana were legalized/decriminalized. This point alone defeats your argument. The problem here is DUI with a child; could be alcohol or pot, that aspect is irrelevant.

By the way, it appears that youth (you know them, the ones that aren't supposed to be getting their hands on drugs) are smoking more dope than they are cigarettes.

The "youth" isn't supposed to be getting their hands on cigarettes either.

"``These high rates of marijuana use during the teen and pre-teen years, when the brain continues to develop, place our young people at particular risk,'' National Institute for Drug Abuse director Dr. Nora Volkow said in a statement.

``Not only does marijuana affect learning, judgment, and motor skills, but research tells us that about one in six people who start using it as adolescents become addicted.''

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest...e-more-marijuana-than-tobacco-says-new-survey

There will be victims along the way to true liberty (true liberty in the Libertarian world means the ability to do with one's body as he or she pleases, even if it is immoral in the eyes of God).

Right Ralphie?

Yeah, the law is really working. Right alaCarteWarrior aka aClosetWarrior?

Education, like that provided by Dr. Nora Volkow would be much more effective. Why aren't kids smoking cigarettes? Education. Restriction never stopped kids from smoking, only education did this.

 

[Lighthouse]

:doh:
Marijuana is illegal! This woman still smoked it. So, this has absolutely nothing to do with the legality of it. So much for "the law is a deterrent".

Didn't deter her. You cannot legislate against stupid. You would have been locked up long ago.

Driving under the influence is and still would be a crime even if marijuana were legalized/decriminalized. This point alone defeats your argument. The problem here is DUI with a child; could be alcohol or pot, that aspect is irrelevant.

A drunk person isn't going to forget their kid on top of the car. They are also not likely to drive under the influence with their children in tow, at all.

 

[WizardofOz]

A drunk person isn't going to forget their kid on top of the car. They are also not likely to drive under the influence with their children in tow, at all.

You didn't read the thread:

I'll mention drunk dad, the Fort Wayne father who drove drunk with his kids strapped to the hood of his car.

If only alcohol were illegal, then drunk dads wouldn't drive with their children on the hood of their car.

Right?

 

[Granite]

A drunk person isn't going to forget their kid on top of the car. They are also not likely to drive under the influence with their children in tow, at all.

Brandon, there are some times when you are simply not very bright. At all.

 

[Letsargue]

You didn't read the thread:

I'll mention drunk dad, the Fort Wayne father who drove drunk with his kids strapped to the hood of his car.

If only alcohol were illegal, then drunk dads wouldn't drive with their children on the hood of their car.

Right?

YOU DIDN'T READ MINE EITHER, -- I'D TALK!!

Paul -- 060812

 

[WizardofOz]

YOU DIDN'T READ MINE EITHER, -- I'D TALK!!

Paul -- 060812

I read it. It just didn't make a lick of sense.

It's not you though, it's me. Forgive my ignorance.

 

[Letsargue]

I read it. It just didn't make a lick of sense.

It's not you though, it's me. Forgive my ignorance.

WELL!! - Ask me what you will, - maybe, - just maybe I can clear up just a little. - That's what this is all about.

Paul -- 060812

 

[aCultureWarrior]

:doh:
Marijuana is illegal! This woman still smoked it. So, this has absolutely nothing to do with the legality of it. So much for "the law is a deterrent".

The law is a deterrent for most people Ralphie. Libertarians like you won't acknowledge that, but it's true. It's also true that once something is legalized, because of it's availibility and it's general acceptance throughout society, consumption will increase.

We've had this discussion many times before regarding abortion. One only look at a chart to see the gradual increase of abortions since Roe v Wade.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html

Look at the increase in pornography use since it was basically decriminalized. The same goes with homosexuality.

The law either says "thou shalt" or "thou shalt not", and the vast majority of people listen to and abide by the law (as long as it's a just law).

Speaking of abortion, I have to go over to another thread and expose a supposed proponent of the pro life movement for the fraud that he is; someone like you that is basically a drug pusher (sorry Ralphie, but someone that wants recreational drugs legalized is a drug pusher).

 

[Lighthouse]

You didn't read the thread:

I'll mention drunk dad, the Fort Wayne father who drove drunk with his kids strapped to the hood of his car.

If only alcohol were illegal, then drunk dads wouldn't drive with their children on the hood of their car.

Right?

He did that because he was abusive, not because he forgot they were there. He even strapped them in. The woman high on pot forgot the kid was there.

The alcohol was not a contributing factor, except in possibly exacerbating the abusive mentality. The pot contributed to the absent-mindedness of the mother.

 

[WizardofOz]

A drunk person isn't going to forget their kid on top of the car. They are also not likely to drive under the influence with their children in tow, at all.

Demonstrably false.

 

[WizardofOz]

The law is a deterrent for most people Ralphie.

Why are more kids smoking pot than cigarettes?

Libertarians like you won't acknowledge that, but it's true. It's also true that once something is legalized, because of it's availibility and it's general acceptance throughout society, consumption will increase.

Assertion. Here's some evidence to the contrary.

in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled. "Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does." Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana. The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well. Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html#ixzz1xOc9EnVQ

We've had this discussion many times before regarding abortion.

Try to stay on topic. Don't go all alaCarte on me.

The law either says "thou shalt" or "thou shalt not", and the vast majority of people listen to and abide by the law (as long as it's a just law).

Way to sneak in the qualifier. How alacarte of you. What are the unjust laws you'll be breaking today?

Speaking of abortion

We weren't.

More on Portugal and how they handle drug abuse:

At the recommendation of a national commission charged with addressing Portugal's drug problem, jail time was replaced with the offer of therapy. The argument was that the fear of prison drives addicts underground and that incarceration is more expensive than treatment — so why not give drug addicts health services instead? Under Portugal's new regime, people found guilty of possessing small amounts of drugs are sent to a panel consisting of a psychologist, social worker and legal adviser for appropriate treatment (which may be refused without criminal punishment), instead of jail. Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html#ixzz1xOcvgnKl

Treatment FTW.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
The law is a deterrent for most people Ralphie.

Why are more kids smoking pot than cigarettes?

As I will show in the upcoming TOL epic "Why homosexuailty MUST be recriminalized", the law is not a "fix all" for society's illnesses.

We've turned into a society where many people have the Libertarian mentality of "It's MY body and I can damn well do with it as I please!"

With the so-called entertainment industry glorifying the use of marijuana, it's of no surprise that the younger generation are experimenting with pot at a higher level than that of cigarettes.


Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Libertarians like you won't acknowledge that, but it's true. It's also true that once something is legalized, because of it's availibility and it's general acceptance throughout society, consumption will increase.

Assertion. Here's some evidence to the contrary.

in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled...

Ah yes, yet another Dopertarian that turns to secular humanist Europe as proof that decriminalizing something only improves society.

And now for the facts:

"Portugal is a nation plagued by many of the drug problems that persist in Europe. Unlike many of its neighbors who have witnessed a reduction or stabilization in the opiate addict population, Portugal's addict population and the problems that go along with addiction continue to increase. In an effort to reduce the number of addicts in the prison system, the Portuguese government has an enacted some radical policies in the last few years with the eventual decriminalization of all illicit drugs in July of 2001...

While drug use, possession, and acquisition are still illicit activities in Portugal, these acts have been decriminalized. Acts that could once bring a prison sentence of three months to a year will now result in the confiscation of the illicit substance and a referral, not to a trial, but to a three-person commission to evaluate the offender. Under this new law, non-addicts may receive monetary fines or other penalties, while addicts will only receive non-monetary penalties."
http://www.justice.gov/dea/ongoing/portugal.html

"This country’s move to decriminalize illicit substances-Europe’s most liberal drug legislation-turns 10 years old this month amid new scrutiny and plaudits.
Portugal’s decriminalization regime has caught the eye of regulators in Europe and beyond since it was implemented in 2001. Proponents credit the program for stanching one of Europe’s worst drug epidemics. Critics associate it with higher crime and murder rates...

At the same time, Portugal’s drug-mortality rate, among Europe’s lowest, has risen...

Violent crime, too, has risen since the law’s passage. According to a 2009 report by the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime, Portugal’s drug-use and murder rates rose in the years after decriminalization. The general rise in drug use was in keeping with European trends, but the U.N. noted with some alarm that cocaine use doubled and cocaine seizures jumped sevenfold from 2001 to 2006.
Murders rose 40% in the period."
http://www.encod.org/info/PORTUGAL-S-DRUG-LAWS-DRAW-NEW.html

Any Libertarian worth his weight in dope will tell you:

"There will be victims along the way to true liberty."

Right Ralphie?