European bishop speaks the unvarnished truth

musterion

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Monsignor Carlo Liberati, Archbishop Emeritus of Pompeii, said that Islam will soon become Europe’s main religion thanks to the huge number of Muslim migrants alongside the increasing secularism of native Europeans.


Speaking to Italian Catholic journal La Fede Quotidiana, the archbishop said: “In 10 years we will all be Muslims because of our stupidity. Italy and Europe live in a pagan and atheist way, they make laws that go against God and they have traditions that are proper of paganism.


“All of this moral and religious decadence favours Islam.”


http://www.breitbart.com/faith/2017/01/14/top-bishop-europe-will-soon-muslim-stupidity/

He also blames his own church for helping cause what's coming, and he's right.
 

The Berean

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Let's be brutally honest here. Western Europe today is weak. It is weak spiritually and it is weak in fighting spirit. Scandanavia had become so feminized that Scandanavian women complain that their men act like women now. This is the part of Europe where the Vikings came from. Think about that for a moment.

The Christian faith is mostly dead now in Western Europe. All those huge churches with beautiful and elegant architecture are mostly empty now, relics of a long ago bygone era when the Christian faith inspired art, music, science, bravery and honor.

This essay articluates some the same points of the OP. These sections stood out to me.

No one wants to go toe to toe with ISIS, it seems. Everyone is hoping that they will dry up and blow away if we just “cut off their funding” or “provide more training” to the Iraqi military. People who say such things do not fully understand the power of a fanatical, militant ideology. The only way to inspire men to confront ISIS will be to equip them with an ideology of equal conviction and strength.

But where will such an ideology be found? Western leaders and populations are apparently incapable of dying for their beliefs. People in the West find it bizarre that someone would die for his religious beliefs because they themselves are craven, effete cowards who have no convictions themselves. Even the Vatican is too craven to call things by their true names, and to attempt to inspire a military response to the fanaticism that wishes to destroy it. Instead, we are treated to lectures on peace, love, and exhortations to “understand” the grievances of others.

Even nationalism in the West has evidently lost its luster. Who today can imagine battalions of young Spaniards, Frenchmen, Italians, or Germans willing to sacrifice themselves in combat for an ideal? Why do men fight to the death? For consumerism? For feminism? For the “rights of gender equality”? No.

These are not the ideals that inspire militancy in men. And no one is being honest about this. Decades of enervating propaganda by the Western media has hollowed out and destroyed the fighting spirit of the European male....


What happened to the Old Spain, the closest thing to a “sword of Christendom” that ever existed? Where is she? Where is the pure idealism, and the soaring imagination, that stacked the sacred stones which would eventually create the sublime vaults of the Notre Dame in Paris? Where is the fanatical spirit that crushed the Turks at Vienna, without apology or equivocation?

It is difficult to imagine this ethic today in Europe. Most European militaries are hollowed-out, demoralized, and totally lacking in combat experience. For decades they outsourced their defense to the United States, and preferred to lavish their citizens with social programs and corrupting doctrines that had no basis in history or experience.


The essay is an excellent read.

The Need For A Fighting Ideology
 

musterion

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After WW2, England had a stark choice: pour everything into modernizing their manufacturing and industry, or dive head first into nanny state socialism. Either was an all in proposition; could not do both. They could have become Europe's postwar economic powerhouse but they chose unwisely.
 

musterion

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The Christian faith is mostly dead now in Western Europe. All those huge churches with beautiful and elegant architecture are mostly empty now, relics of a long ago bygone era when the Christian faith inspired art, music, science, bravery and honor.

Minor point: it was Catholicism did all that, not the true faith.
 

Arthur Brain

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After WW2, England had a stark choice: pour everything into modernizing their manufacturing and industry, or dive head first into nanny state socialism. Either was an all in proposition; could not do both. They could have become Europe's postwar economic powerhouse but they chose unwisely.

Wow, an American who moans when 'foreigners' dare to have an opinion on the USA is now an expert on England...

:doh:
 

keypurr

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Let's be brutally honest here. Western Europe today is weak. It is weak spiritually and it is weak in fighting spirit. Scandanavia had become so feminized that Scandanavian women complain that their men act like women now. This is the part of Europe where the Vikings came from. Think about that for a moment.

The Christian faith is mostly dead now in Western Europe. All those huge churches with beautiful and elegant architecture are mostly empty now, relics of a long ago bygone era when the Christian faith inspired art, music, science, bravery and honor.

This essay articluates some the same points of the OP. These sections stood out to me.

No one wants to go toe to toe with ISIS, it seems. Everyone is hoping that they will dry up and blow away if we just “cut off their funding” or “provide more training” to the Iraqi military. People who say such things do not fully understand the power of a fanatical, militant ideology. The only way to inspire men to confront ISIS will be to equip them with an ideology of equal conviction and strength.

But where will such an ideology be found? Western leaders and populations are apparently incapable of dying for their beliefs. People in the West find it bizarre that someone would die for his religious beliefs because they themselves are craven, effete cowards who have no convictions themselves. Even the Vatican is too craven to call things by their true names, and to attempt to inspire a military response to the fanaticism that wishes to destroy it. Instead, we are treated to lectures on peace, love, and exhortations to “understand” the grievances of others.

Even nationalism in the West has evidently lost its luster. Who today can imagine battalions of young Spaniards, Frenchmen, Italians, or Germans willing to sacrifice themselves in combat for an ideal? Why do men fight to the death? For consumerism? For feminism? For the “rights of gender equality”? No.

These are not the ideals that inspire militancy in men. And no one is being honest about this. Decades of enervating propaganda by the Western media has hollowed out and destroyed the fighting spirit of the European male....


What happened to the Old Spain, the closest thing to a “sword of Christendom” that ever existed? Where is she? Where is the pure idealism, and the soaring imagination, that stacked the sacred stones which would eventually create the sublime vaults of the Notre Dame in Paris? Where is the fanatical spirit that crushed the Turks at Vienna, without apology or equivocation?

It is difficult to imagine this ethic today in Europe. Most European militaries are hollowed-out, demoralized, and totally lacking in combat experience. For decades they outsourced their defense to the United States, and preferred to lavish their citizens with social programs and corrupting doctrines that had no basis in history or experience.


The essay is an excellent read.

The Need For A Fighting Ideology
Very good post. Thanks

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The Berean

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So let me ask this question. Is it actually possible that at some point in the future Europe will become Muslim dominated? Is that even possible? How would that happen? There's been a lot of fear mongers about this but even with the recent large migration of Muslims into Europe the European Muslim popluation is still quite small. In 1990 Europe was 4% Muslim. In 2010 it was 6%. It is projected to be 8% in 2030. With these numbers it doesn't sound like Islam will take over Europe any time soon.

5 facts about the Muslim population in Europe
 

musterion

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So let me ask this question. Is it actually possible that at some point in the future Europe will become Muslim dominated? Is that even possible?

Yes, with pockets and even a few nation resisting.

How would that happen?

1. Keep importing them as they abundantly proliferate.

2. Keep supressing the birth rates of the natives.

Demographics are destiny.
 

The Berean

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Yes, with pockets and even a few nation resisting.



1. Keep importing them as they abundantly proliferate.

2. Keep supressing the birth rates of the natives.

Demographics are destiny.

Who is supressing the birthrates? It seems to me that many native Europeans simply don't want to have children. No one is stopping them from doing so. The question is why don't native Europeans want to have children? Soem European governments are now encouraging and even offering financial incentives to its citizens to have children.

Europe needs many more babies to avert a population disaster
 

musterion

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As with the United States, the past few generations of Europeans have been brainwashed into viewing children as either an unnecessary and selfish burden upon an already overtaxed environment if not completely meaningless and expendable by abortion, if you happen to end up pregnant. There are also those women who bought the feminist line that career should come first. Those things in combination are the primary reason they have such low birth rates to the point where they won't recover. And let's not forget people on the dole who make more money the more children they have, without working and without being married. The fact is those are often not the type of people you want creating a chunk of the replacement population you do get. And don't forget Europe's long tradition of widespread homosexuality, which Mohammedans also practice but do not let get in the way of reproduction.

Meanwhile, they not only import but subsidize conquering Mohammedans, many of whom do nothing productive except have children, and none of whom have any intention of assimilating, ever.
 
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