Edouard Tahmizian (atheist?) dialog with Bob Enyart
This is the show from Monday, March 29th, 2021
SUMMARY:
* Edouard asks Bob to comment: Edouard Tahmizian, B.A. in Fine Arts, emailed Bob saying that he had a paper published at the atheist site infidels.org on the topic of Adam's sin, and whether it was "hard determinism", or whether God created him with a tendency to sin. That reminded us of when Jesus was asked, A or B, and He answered C. Both ideas are false of course. The hard determinism, i.e., actual John-Calvinsim type kgov.com/calvinism, that God decreed every sin that would ever be committed, and He decreed each person to be a s sinner, and to desire to commit the sin he commits, and decreed exactly where, when, how and how intensely each person would commit each and every sin.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 10:10 PM
To: <*******@******.com>
Edouard, thanks for writing. As you can see at our kgov.com/calvinism-makes-God-the-author-of-sin, yes, despite any denials to the contrary, we agree that the point is obvious.
- Bob Enyart
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From: Edouard <*******@******.com>
Date: Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 10:37 PM
To: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Thanks! When you have time, do you think you could read through my work. I also address how Adam and Eve were able to sin.
Sincerely,
Edouard Tahmizian
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:09 AM
To: Edouard <*******@******.com>
Haven't looked at it Edouard, but they were able to sin because they were able to love. The ability to love requires the ability to hate, because love must be freely given.
Hope you got that part right!
- Bob E.
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From: edouardtahmizian <*******@******.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:45 AM
To: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Hi. God does not have the ability to hate so is he incapable of love since he can't sin? We sin of necessarily [ity?] so are we robots? People who can only do good are so holy they are not inclined to sin via a sinful inclination. My point in my paper was God made Adam with an evil inclination. Your logic is wrong.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:57 PM
To: edouardtahmizian <*******@******.com>
God is free. If the Son had no capacity to hate the Father, He would not be able to love Him. Love must be freely given. But don't despair. You're not the first Edouard to be confused about that. -Bob E.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:57 PM
To: Bob Enyart <Bob@rsr.org>
[sent to self but not to Edouard, trying to keep the emails brief] God can overcome your confusion, but not your hatred. You're the one who would have to resound to His offer of love by realizing that your hatred is misplaced.
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From: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
[Yeah, Edoouard would change the name he associates with his email ID.]
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:58 PM
To: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
You're not the first to be an idiot.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:59 PM
To: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
I understand your tendency to mock unnecessarily. That can be overcome.
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From: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 1:03 PM
To: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
When you sin of necessity, was it still a free choice? Yes. Just like doing good of necessity is free. The person in the later simply has no Evil Inclination. That's not something you want to have. People 100 percent holy have the type of revolusion you would have to eating dog waste but worse. They are just so revolted by evil. Free will only means you do what you want. Now shut up. You gave me no rebuttal to my previous questions.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 1:10 PM
To: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
There is never a sin necessary to commit.
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From: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 1:14 PM
To: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Bull. [BE: What do bovines have to do with this discussion? Oh. I'm thinking, as in excrement? Hmm. I could reply that our materialistic society has not much beyond our base bodily functions, of reproduction, digestion, and waste production, to think about. And I could give a link to that discussed at kgov.com/excrement. But, nah, I'll let it pass. I'm trying to stay focused on the core issue.] Post fall man sins of necessity.
[Running out of time, so I skipped the following on Monday's show... "Ever heard of this? 'If righteousness was to be attained through the law Christ died in vain". That was Paul. We have totally depraved natures. What are you a Pelagian?]
Also God the father cannot sin, so I guess he is not capable of true love? Wrong.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 12:19 PM
To: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
For God the Father to be able to love the Son requires that the Father too, of course, must have the ability to hate Him. Otherwise His love would not be love.
- Bob
p.s. Edourado, unrelated, my son Dominic just emailed to me this C.S. Lewis quote, based on a thousand BIble verses, from Mere Christianity, on freedom, and it applies not only to creatures but also to the Creator:
This is the show from Monday, March 29th, 2021
SUMMARY:
* Edouard asks Bob to comment: Edouard Tahmizian, B.A. in Fine Arts, emailed Bob saying that he had a paper published at the atheist site infidels.org on the topic of Adam's sin, and whether it was "hard determinism", or whether God created him with a tendency to sin. That reminded us of when Jesus was asked, A or B, and He answered C. Both ideas are false of course. The hard determinism, i.e., actual John-Calvinsim type kgov.com/calvinism, that God decreed every sin that would ever be committed, and He decreed each person to be a s sinner, and to desire to commit the sin he commits, and decreed exactly where, when, how and how intensely each person would commit each and every sin.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 10:10 PM
To: <*******@******.com>
Edouard, thanks for writing. As you can see at our kgov.com/calvinism-makes-God-the-author-of-sin, yes, despite any denials to the contrary, we agree that the point is obvious.
- Bob Enyart
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From: Edouard <*******@******.com>
Date: Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 10:37 PM
To: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Thanks! When you have time, do you think you could read through my work. I also address how Adam and Eve were able to sin.
Sincerely,
Edouard Tahmizian
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:09 AM
To: Edouard <*******@******.com>
Haven't looked at it Edouard, but they were able to sin because they were able to love. The ability to love requires the ability to hate, because love must be freely given.
Hope you got that part right!
- Bob E.
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From: edouardtahmizian <*******@******.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:45 AM
To: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Hi. God does not have the ability to hate so is he incapable of love since he can't sin? We sin of necessarily [ity?] so are we robots? People who can only do good are so holy they are not inclined to sin via a sinful inclination. My point in my paper was God made Adam with an evil inclination. Your logic is wrong.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:57 PM
To: edouardtahmizian <*******@******.com>
God is free. If the Son had no capacity to hate the Father, He would not be able to love Him. Love must be freely given. But don't despair. You're not the first Edouard to be confused about that. -Bob E.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:57 PM
To: Bob Enyart <Bob@rsr.org>
[sent to self but not to Edouard, trying to keep the emails brief] God can overcome your confusion, but not your hatred. You're the one who would have to resound to His offer of love by realizing that your hatred is misplaced.
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From: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
[Yeah, Edoouard would change the name he associates with his email ID.]
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:58 PM
To: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
You're not the first to be an idiot.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:59 PM
To: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
I understand your tendency to mock unnecessarily. That can be overcome.
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From: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 1:03 PM
To: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
When you sin of necessity, was it still a free choice? Yes. Just like doing good of necessity is free. The person in the later simply has no Evil Inclination. That's not something you want to have. People 100 percent holy have the type of revolusion you would have to eating dog waste but worse. They are just so revolted by evil. Free will only means you do what you want. Now shut up. You gave me no rebuttal to my previous questions.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 1:10 PM
To: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
There is never a sin necessary to commit.
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From: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 1:14 PM
To: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Bull. [BE: What do bovines have to do with this discussion? Oh. I'm thinking, as in excrement? Hmm. I could reply that our materialistic society has not much beyond our base bodily functions, of reproduction, digestion, and waste production, to think about. And I could give a link to that discussed at kgov.com/excrement. But, nah, I'll let it pass. I'm trying to stay focused on the core issue.] Post fall man sins of necessity.
[Running out of time, so I skipped the following on Monday's show... "Ever heard of this? 'If righteousness was to be attained through the law Christ died in vain". That was Paul. We have totally depraved natures. What are you a Pelagian?]
Also God the father cannot sin, so I guess he is not capable of true love? Wrong.
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From: Bob Enyart <bobenyart@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 12:19 PM
To: The Efficient One <*******@******.com>
For God the Father to be able to love the Son requires that the Father too, of course, must have the ability to hate Him. Otherwise His love would not be love.
- Bob
p.s. Edourado, unrelated, my son Dominic just emailed to me this C.S. Lewis quote, based on a thousand BIble verses, from Mere Christianity, on freedom, and it applies not only to creatures but also to the Creator: