....it's the annual awards 
chrysostom’s 2015 annual awards
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thanks for asking
all you have to do is google 'supreme court liberal judges'
and
you get this
Justices Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan (appointed by Democratic presidents) comprise the Court's liberal wing.
:first: :chuckle: I never realized he was being literal.....it's the annual awards
Someone deciding for you?
But what about Kennedy? How can those conservatives prone to RINO declarations fail to count him?
Major Supreme Court Cases in 2015
the new york times publish the voting on 15 major cases
the four liberals voted the same in all 15 cases
the four conservatives voted the same in 8 cases
kennedy voted with the liberals 10 times
town agreed with the liberals 12 times
Is there an award for that?
Sounds serious until you read through them and realize that 11 of those 15 times at least one conservative was also in agreement with those liberals, meaning it was demonstrably possible to hold with them while remaining a conservative, let alone a moderate capable of agreement with either side, as I demonstrated by wasting my time on you going case to case and noting honestly what I liked or didn't about each while you roundly ignored the answer.
lain:So...why not just give me your spiteful little award and wrap this continuing, dishonest attempt with a ribbon. When does your winter coat come in anyway?
that was very clever
and
it was also fallacious
it is not the first time you misrepresented numbers
still open for nominations and discussion
Add yourself.
Only if you don't know what those words mean. It was neither. It was objectively true and not what you want to hear and believe. People you would call conservatives agreed with me on all but two holdings.
Again, for those playing at home 11 of the fifteen times at least one died in the wool conservative voted with those same liberals chrys is pulling his hair out over. So you I had one more.
lain: Right only because there wasn't a first time.
How's the coat? It looks kind of patchy from here. :think:
how did you get 11 out of 15?
it is 13 if you count kennedy
and
it is 9 if you don't
Ah, I see what I did. I started from the bottom and started counting and must have missed a couple of his. You're right. I undersold it. Thirteen, given Kennedy often votes conservative as well. Thanks. That's what comes of hurrying now and then.
I especially appreciate it given that makes your point a bit thinner. Though even if you only hard count the conservative agreement it's problematic for your design, given the slim separation and my casting my vote with the conservative minority in one of the early decisions.
Well, I'm sure you won't let a little thing like that stop you. :thumb:
that would be the fallacious part
no one calls kennedy a conservative
besides you
No, not if you own a good dictionary. He's called a swing vote by those who follow the Court. That means his opinion isn't the product of either ideology as singularly as the other Justices.
Nor is he, strictly speaking, a liberal. So you don't have to be voting leftist ideology to side with the left on any number of cases, as he and many of the conservatives demonstrate.
Now that's fallacious.
So nuts to you.
You might as well get over it. Because you can't demonstrably get around it. :nono:
No, I said he often votes conservative. He's called the swing vote. I then set out that the importance of that is found in the lack of a unified ideological directive. So you still have a problem.
You're just twisting like a pretzel to try to make me what I'm not so you can feel better about how you feel. That's what bias blinded people do. They even kick some out of their own party for not thinking enough like them.
On the plus side, this has got to be helping your numbers, which even with this historic stretch haven't been too rosy.
Or:
clever and fallacious again
thomas voted with the liberal block 4 times
you agreed with the liberal block 12 times
No, you're just equal parts determined and irrational. And given you said I said a thing I demonstrably didn't about Kennedy...
Rather, he voted as he saw the issue and four times that aligned with the way the left did. Now either he became a leftist then got better or you could reasonably say that those four cases were ones where you could reasonably rule a certain way REGARDLESS of whether you were of a conservative tilt or a liberal one.
That's just one of the issues you can't examine because once you do that with him then you have to recognize it with the other holdings where different conservatives had their own opinions and agreed in conclusion/effect with the liberal block. And then you can't do what you're so obviously and dishonestly attempting, what you did more boldly in the other thread where you called me a liberal.
Do you live in a den?
In the same sense that Thomas or Roberts, etc. agreed with liberal thinking when they voted with them on an issue.
Also, using your approach you're now going to have to be labeled as pro abortion, since you want a conservative appointed Court and every abortion that has come down the pike has occurred as a direct result of that very thing. That's how strained your logic is when applied as a principle.