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chrysostom

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100 threads since june 29
I am not as good at numbers as town is
but
that is about two and a half threads per day

has anyone else achieved this remarkable goal?
 

Town Heretic

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exactly
and
your argument is to bring up what happened over forty years ago
Is to note that the last time someone like you argued for a Court mostly seated with conservatives it didn't pan out that well for the nation. And thinking you're going to get a different outcome doing the same thing is the very definition of insanity. Rather, pack the Court with the best legal minds. Let the politicians oversee a Bar recommendation to the High Court and you'll get better and more consistent holdings.

wake up

take a look at what is happening now
Part of the problem with people who are deeply entrenched in a particular political bias is that they're incapable of seeing anyone who isn't as being anything other than ignorant or deceived, instead of simply being of a different mind, one produced from an equal amount of reflection and consideration in advance.
 

Totton Linnet

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How do Germans tie their shoes?

With little knotsies. :plain:

We've gotten along for long stretches. We may again. I don't particularly care for acrimony in relation to anyone. But there are lines that, when crossed, are going to get a strong response from me, one calculated to get the same level or irritation from you. I don't tend to dwell on the negative, so I'm easy to get along with no matter how we weren't before. But you already know that.


A German walks into a library.

German: I'd like a few books on war, please.
Librarian: I'm sorry, I can't check those out to you.
German: Why?
Librarian: You'd lose them.

Better not check out any books to Americans on Peace :chuckle:
 

chrysostom

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Is to note that the last time someone like you argued for a Court mostly seated with conservatives it didn't pan out that well for the nation. And thinking you're going to get a different outcome doing the same thing is the very definition of insanity. Rather, pack the Court with the best legal minds. Let the politicians oversee a Bar recommendation to the High Court and you'll get better and more consistent holdings.


Part of the problem with people who are deeply entrenched in a particular political bias is that they're incapable of seeing anyone who isn't as being anything other than ignorant or deceived, instead of simply being of a different mind, one produced from an equal amount of reflection and consideration in advance.

let's talk about the four liberals on the supreme court today

can you name one significant issue where they didn't vote as a block?

can you name one issue where they voted as a block that you agreed with?
 

Town Heretic

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let's talk about the four liberals on the supreme court today

can you name one significant issue where they didn't vote as a block?

can you name one issue where they voted as a block that you agreed with?
Out of time and heading for the in-laws, but nudge me on this later if I forget and a day or two goes by. I'd like to get into this when I have time.
 

chrysostom

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so what is my definition of a sophist?

I don't need to define it
it has already been defined
and
there is no reason not to use this definition

all you have to do is highlight the word sophist

right click on it
and
then left click on 'Search Google for "sophist"

it is that easy
and
this is what you get


a person who reasons with clever but fallacious arguments.


surely you can think of someone who fits that definition
 

bybee

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so what is my definition of a sophist?

I don't need to define it
it has already been defined
and
there is no reason not to use this definition

all you have to do is highlight the word sophist

right click on it
and
then left click on 'Search Google for "sophist"

it is that easy
and
this is what you get


a person who reasons with clever but fallacious arguments.


surely you can think of someone who fits that definition

Does he know they are fallacious?
 

chrysostom

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Does he know they are fallacious?

good question

how would I know?

they do know that they are being clever
I think we know that

being clever is so important that they would not hesitate to use arguments an honest person would not be comfortable with

you get
"based on a mistaken belief"
if
you google fallacious
so
it really comes down to what you believe
 

Town Heretic

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let's talk about the four liberals on the supreme court today

can you name one significant issue where they didn't vote as a block?
I suppose I haven't given the blocks much thought, have mostly noticed the tenor and habit of this Court as it pertains to the rulings where most have the Court and have until fairly recently as a more conservative Court than we've had since Burger.

“While the current court’s decisions, over all, are only slightly more conservative than those from the courts led by Chief Justices Warren E. Burger and William H. Rehnquist, according to political scientists who study the court, its business rulings are another matter. They have been, a new study finds, far friendlier to business than those of any court since at least World War II. In the eight years since Chief Justice Roberts joined the court, it has allowed corporations to spend freely in elections in the Citizens United case, has shielded them from class actions and human rights suits, and has made arbitration the favored way to resolve many disputes. Business groups say the Roberts court’s decisions have helped combat frivolous lawsuits, while plaintiffs’ lawyers say the rulings have destroyed legitimate claims for harm from faulty products, discriminatory practices and fraud.” [New York Times, 5/5/13]​

can you name one issue where they voted as a block that you agreed with?
Do you mean one where I agreed with the legal reasoning or where I personally agreed? They aren't always the same thing...the most recent case is a case in point where I thought the outcome (on gay marriage) was the likely one but found the majority approach to be on the weak point of the arguments available. Curiously enough, I think Roberts hit on the better argument with his questions from the bench, wondering if what was before the Court wasn't a clear case of sexual discrimination.

They were right in Windsor too, off the top of my head. The conservative response, I thought, argued against itself without seeming to realize it. Alito said that the Court ruling was, in essence, another example of the will of the people being thwarted by the Court acting as a de facto supreme legislator. Of course,the larger part of the Court's job is to review and where called for to overrule Constitutionally compromised legislation, which can often have the same effect. I thought the application of 15th and 5th Amendments was cogent and on point by the majority, which included that more liberal block.

Scalia's claim that the Court, "has cheated both sides, robbing the winners of an honest victory, and the losers of the peace that comes from a fair defeat" is a remarkable thing to hear in a jurist. The notion that rights and protections should at any point be a mob decision, undermining as his sentiment does the foundation of our Republic.

I don't really think he believes that though, except when his ox is being gored, as he makes plain with his "other shoe" comment. But it's disappointing to see in a jurist of his intellectual ability, even if he's been that sort of jurist for most of his tenure.

Kennedy and the more liberal members of the Court's majority holding in recognizing gay marriage was, to my mind, among the weakest of possible advances and almost as troubling for it as Alito's minority rebuttal here.
 

Town Heretic

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do you even know what I am talking about?
Are you stupid?

do you know who the four liberals are?
Are you a moron?

I only ask because that seems to be what you want to reduce this to...that or you just stopped reading, in which case the problem would be that you're willfully ignorant.

Either way, pee or stop pretending the pot matters to you and keep using the sidewalk.
 

chrysostom

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Are you stupid?


Are you a moron?

I only ask because that seems to be what you want to reduce this to...that or you just stopped reading, in which case the problem would be that you're willfully ignorant.

Either way, stop wasting my time with pretend questions and faux responses. Either pee or stop pretending the pot matters to you and keep using the sidewalk.

you have not mentioned even one of the liberal judges
so
I have to ask you again

do you know who they are?
 

chrysostom

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I think you should either respond to my actual answer or not, but you aren't a moderator and I'm not obliged to agree with your assessment of Kennedy as another liberal component of the Court. You might see my answer on a couple of rulings along with my comment elsewhere about the problem of people who feel they're empowered to decide who is or isn't what those other people believe about themselves based on a personal and subjective litmus.

so you will not mention even one of the liberal judges
and
how they got on the court is out of the question?
 

chrysostom

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I suppose I haven't given the blocks much thought, have mostly noticed the tenor and habit of this Court as it pertains to the rulings where most have the Court and have until fairly recently as a more conservative Court than we've had since Burger.

“While the current court’s decisions, over all, are only slightly more conservative than those from the courts led by Chief Justices Warren E. Burger and William H. Rehnquist, according to political scientists who study the court, its business rulings are another matter. They have been, a new study finds, far friendlier to business than those of any court since at least World War II. In the eight years since Chief Justice Roberts joined the court, it has allowed corporations to spend freely in elections in the Citizens United case, has shielded them from class actions and human rights suits, and has made arbitration the favored way to resolve many disputes. Business groups say the Roberts court’s decisions have helped combat frivolous lawsuits, while plaintiffs’ lawyers say the rulings have destroyed legitimate claims for harm from faulty products, discriminatory practices and fraud.” [New York Times, 5/5/13]​


Do you mean one where I agreed with the legal reasoning or where I personally agreed? They aren't always the same thing...the most recent case is a case in point where I thought the outcome (on gay marriage) was the likely one but found the majority approach to be on the weak point of the arguments available. Curiously enough, I think Roberts hit on the better argument with his questions from the bench, wondering if what was before the Court wasn't a clear case of sexual discrimination.

They were right in Windsor too, off the top of my head. The conservative response, I thought, argued against itself without seeming to realize it. Alito said that the Court ruling was, in essence, another example of the will of the people being thwarted by the Court acting as a de facto supreme legislator. Of course,the larger part of the Court's job is to review and where called for to overrule Constitutionally compromised legislation, which can often have the same effect. I thought the application of 15th and 5th Amendments was cogent and on point by the majority, which included that more liberal block.

Scalia's claim that the Court, "has cheated both sides, robbing the winners of an honest victory, and the losers of the peace that comes from a fair defeat" is a remarkable thing to hear in a jurist. The notion that rights and protections should at any point be a mob decision, undermining as his sentiment does the foundation of our Republic.

I don't really think he believes that though, except when his ox is being gored, as he makes plain with his "other shoe" comment. But it's disappointing to see in a jurist of his intellectual ability, even if he's been that sort of jurist for most of his tenure.

Kennedy and the more liberal members of the Court's majority holding in recognizing gay marriage was, to my mind, among the weakest of possible advances and almost as troubling for it as Alito's minority rebuttal here.

he has no problem mentioning names
but
he did not name one of the liberals
so
you have to wonder
if
he knows what I am talking about
 
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