Christian Response to 9-11 five years later.

Nathon Detroit

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<img src="http://www.theologyonline.com/0911.gif" alt="" align="left" border="0">Attack on America: A Christian Response
by Bob Enyart, pastor of Denver Bible Church (partly delivered on live radio during the attack on Sept. 11,fully posted to KGOV.com on Sept. 12th, 2001)

Five years later does the following response still ring true?


Security
- Airline Security: The hijackings were not a failure of airport security personnel, but were a failure of security strategy! Hijackers will always be able to get weapons of some type onto airplanes, even ceramic or plastic knives invisible to metal detectors. Pilots should be armed and crewmembers should have access to weapons. As on Israel’s El Al airlines, undercover armed security guards should fly, at least on random flights. Also, police and government officials should fly armed. This type of hijacking would not have succeeded on El Al.
- Self-defense: Heroism on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania prevented that plane from crashing into the White House offices. We should encourage and teach self defense. Our war against guns has created a victim mentality. Pilots have heretofore been taught to comply with hijackers, as consistent with our victim-mentality war against guns. Guns enable self defense and deter criminals.
- Prosecution: Pass legislation to prosecute all members of known terrorist organizations for murder; and prosecute all supporters of known terrorist organizations for conspiracy to murder.
- Deterrence: If a foreign nation harbors or supports terrorists, America should dismantle their government if possible. Nations bear full responsibility for any act of war perpetrated by their terrorists. We should not just punish such a terrorist government. If possible, we should destroy that government. This will help deter future governments from supporting terrorism.
- Osama bin Laden: As the crises unfolded, I was in studio at the Information Radio Network during the hour when the final plane crashed. When asked who could have been responsible for this, I stated on air that the Palestinians would have done this, but were incapable. Rather, this terror was done on their behalf against Israel’s ally, and on behalf of the radical Islamic world by Osama bin Laden, the international terrorist protected by the Taliban government in Afghanistan. As the pastor of Denver Bible Church, I had no access to government intelligence. But I knew who did this because of the public promise and effort by Bin Laden to do just what he had done. The American government has long monitored him training terrorists to kill Americans, and to “blow up your airplanes and destroy your tall buildings.” Recently by videotape, he effectively claimed responsibility for the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole. Those actions already provided sufficient cause for America to attack the Taliban government and pursue Bin Laden by force and assassinate him if necessary or apprehend and execute him after trial.

Foreign Relations
- Israel: When we condemn Israel for punishing terrorists, we unwittingly take the side of the terrorists, and encourage them and terrorism generally.
- Respecting Terrorists: Treating terrorists as dignitaries and terrorist regimes as valid governments, invites more terrorism. When we conduct diplomacy with terrorists like Yasser Arafat we unwittingly validate terrorist tactics. Young terrorists see in Arafat a justification of their strategy, and hope that terrorism will one day bring them, or their compatriots, to the bargaining table with world leaders.
- Allies and Enemies: America saw the widespread Palestinian celebration, and the spontaneous dancing in the streets at the news of our tragedy. At the same time we heard Israel declare a national day of mourning. This contrast provides strong evidence of who is our ally and who is our enemy.
- Justice: America should fastidiously maintain justice in our foreign relations, for enemies have long memories. When we wrong a nation, we should confess and repent. When we punish a nation, we should do so swiftly and painfully and not drag out punishments for many years, increasing bitterness.
- Foreign Aid: Stop all foreign aid. Welfare is wrong, whether to individuals, to corporations, or to nations. And foreign aid is welfare to countries. Individual Americans privately and freely send billions of dollars of charity a year to other counties. But the government should not send national welfare, because charity must be freely given, not coerced. Forced charity, including foreign aid, creates unnecessary animosity.

Islamic Relations
- Fear: Countless millions of Islamic people fear America, believing that our immoral culture is threatening their own families. America’s culture is seducing the world. Arab families see their children attracted to Hollywood’s smut videos and satellite transmissions, and they fear that we will thereby destroy their families, just as we have destroyed our own. They hate America for exporting our immorality. An Arab teenage boy employed to do laundry at a western hotel sneaks into rooms to watch naked lesbians having sex in American movies. After having broken our own homes, they watch as our exported immorality begins to destroy their families. Our government should oppose all sexual immorality including pornography, fornication, adultery, and no-fault divorce; and defend sex only within marriage; oppose abortion and euthanasia. We should do right and thus rob the Islamic world of these charges against us.
- Hatred: Islam’s longstanding hatred of America should not be intensified needlessly. Hatred of America increased when Clinton bombed Arabs the night of his televised Monica Lewinski deposition. A media report at the time suggested that even a majority of American reporters believed that Clinton bombed Afghanistan and the Sudan as a mere diversion. Virtually the entire Arab world concurred with that assessment, believing that America’s planes bombed them just to cover-up a sex scandal. Clinton announced that was the beginning of our war on terrorism, but some of us immediately doubted him, predicting that the bombing would not be followed up, but was a one-time distraction. In fact, his war against terrorism started and ended that night; the bombing was not the beginning of anything. The White House press corps will remember forever where they were when they learned of the bombing. They were, as a group, in a theater, watching a movie, Wag the Dog. In that Hollywood movie inspired by Clinton, an American president involved in a horrendous sex scandal creates an artificial war to distract his nation. That movie played widely internationally, and had a particular impact on the Arab world. Yet, America’s congress never condemned Clinton for his behavior, never investigated, and never apologized. And the media did not condemn Clinton for this, and neither did the American public, nor her social and religious leaders.
- Conspiracy: Some Islamic fundamentalists encourage the killing of infidels. America should prosecute Islamic people for conspiracy to murder if they call for the killing of non-Islamic people.

Democracy Problems
- Limited Government: God gave governments responsibility only for infrastructure and defense. If government limited itself to its two just functions, thereby getting out of education, health care, farming, etc., it could better defend America.
- Full-time Campaign: Our democratic form of government turns our leaders into full-time campaigners. President Bush effectively was campaigning in Florida when the hijacked planes crashed into the World Trade Center. No one can govern from a third grade classroom.
- Focus: When the government focuses on education, parents lose focus of their primary role in educating their children. And when a government focuses on education, it cannot focus as well on governing. A successful business which branches out into thirty different areas typically does poorly in all areas, including its original core business. America must limit government to maintaining infrastructure and to defense of life, liberty, and property (through the criminal justice system and the military).

Cultural Problems
- Suicide: America should oppose all worldviews that promote suicide. Suicide is inherently destabilizing. When cultures openly promote suicide as an acceptable way to solve problems, they disable standard deterrents. For example, as the American media and universities defend suicide, we have a growing epidemic of murder/suicide. Harris and Klebold assumed that they could escape punishment for Columbine if only they killed themselves in the attack, though they delivered themselves directly into the hands of the Judge of the whole world. Those who defend suicide promote the shedding of innocent blood. We must oppose them.
- Kamikazes: September 11, 2001 was our own Pearl Harbor. Both radical Islam and the Japanese empire taught men that suicide, in opposition to Judaeo-Christian teaching, would lead to glory in the afterlife. In both attacks, the kamikaze pilots of World War II, and the Islamic zealots of Pearl Harbor II, normal men became capable of mass murder because of their eagerness to die in the attack. America should recognize every defender of suicide as an enemy of security. Suicide is inherently destabilizing.
- Energy Independence: America needs a national commitment to fully explore Alaska and all available lands and oceans for oil and gas, to move us toward energy independence. We should try to reduce the billions of dollars we transfer annually to OPEC and to some Islamic regimes which aid terrorists. The quickest way to turn the Arab world strongly against terrorism is to threaten to move toward energy independence with an emergency national mobilization toward that goal.

Conclusion
- Policy Wisdom: Right-wing Christians have long presented such policy objectives, but the secular world generally ignores such wisdom. Christians who carefully study the Bible are best qualified to teach the world how it should be governed. Let’s change our way of life as little as possible, and the terrorists’ way of life as much as possible. We can comply with terrorists on one point, if they want to die in this battle, we can assist them.
- Tune In: For further discussion of the attack on America, and to make your own comments, please listen to Bob Enyart Live via RealAudio online at KGOV.com and call-in on Mondays at 9pm Eastern Time to 1-800-8Enyart.
 

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Perspective from another Christian:

Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action
by Dr. David Ray Griffin

Probing disturbing questions that beg for a response from the Christian community, distinguished scholar of religion and popular writer David Ray Griffin provides a hard-hitting analysis of the official accounts of the events of September 11, 2001. A tireless investigator, Griffin has sorted through enormous amounts of government and independent data and brought to the surface some very unsettling inconsistencies about what really happened. In this, his latest book, he analyzes the evidence about 9/11 and then explores a distinctively Christian perspective on these issues, taking seriously what we know about Jesus’ life, death, and teachings. Drawing a parallel between the Roman Empire of antiquity and the American Empire of today, he applies Jesus’ teachings to the current political administration, and he explores how Christian churches, as a community intending to be an incarnation of the divine, can and should respond.
 

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I didn't get the full impact of what was going on until I saw the 2nd plane hit the second tower :noway:
 

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The article is a great article, it is to bad Bob doesn't understand the meaning of his own words in this case, but he is right.

America has interfered in Middle eastern governments for decades.

Paul Craig Roberts said:
Many Middle Eastern countries are ruled by puppets on the American payroll. Even the Saudis are under American protection. If there is oppression in the Middle East, it is because US puppets and protectorates are doing what the US government wants, not what the people they rule want.

The Middle East is in despair because almost a century after the First World War freed Arabs from Turkish occupation, they still cannot get free of US and British occupation. The reasons Osama bin Laden has a cause among Muslims are US military bases in the Middle East.

What kind of fool believes that the way to bring democracy to a country is to invade, destroy cities and infrastructure, and kill and maim tens of thousands of civilians, while creating every possible animosity by aligning with some members of the society against the others?

When will Americans notice that the threats flow from the US to the Middle East? No Middle Eastern government has made any threat against the US or initiated any hostile action. In contrast, the US has invaded two Middle Eastern countries and is threatening to attack two more.

Terrorism is not an activity of Muslim states. Osama bin Laden is a Saudi who dares not return to his homeland.

Most Muslim states are too impotent to stamp out independent terrorists and too fearful that terrorist networks will be organized against them. Ignorant US officials equate weakness with intention and demonize Middle Eastern governments, including our own puppets and protectorates, as "state sponsors of terrorism." Isn’t it ironic? The US damns vulnerable Middle Eastern rulers for not stamping out terrorism when all the troops and violence the US can muster cannot stamp out terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The implication of a recent CIA report is that the US itself is a state sponsor of terrorism. According to the CIA, the US invasion of Iraq has created a terrorist training ground for al Qaeda where no previous terrorists existed. The US is creating more terrorists in Iraq than the rest of the Middle East together. Why is President Bush spending $300 billion running a terrorist training ground in Iraq?

And Bob says it best when he affirms
Countless millions of Islamic people fear America, believing that our immoral culture is threatening their own families. America’s culture is seducing the world. Arab families see their children attracted to Hollywood’s smut videos and satellite transmissions, and they fear that we will thereby destroy their families, just as we have destroyed our own. They hate America for exporting our immorality. An Arab teenage boy employed to do laundry at a western hotel sneaks into rooms to watch naked lesbians having sex in American movies. After having broken our own homes, they watch as our exported immorality begins to destroy their families. Our government should oppose all sexual immorality including pornography, fornication, adultery, and no-fault divorce; and defend sex only within marriage; oppose abortion and euthanasia. We should do right and thus rob the Islamic world of these charges against us.
- Hatred: Islam’s longstanding hatred of America should not be intensified needlessly. Hatred of America increased when Clinton bombed Arabs the night of his televised Monica Lewinski deposition. A media report at the time suggested that even a majority of American reporters believed that Clinton bombed Afghanistan and the Sudan as a mere diversion. Virtually the entire Arab world concurred with that assessment, believing that America’s planes bombed them just to cover-up a sex scandal. Clinton announced that was the beginning of our war on terrorism, but some of us immediately doubted him, predicting that the bombing would not be followed up, but was a one-time distraction. In fact, his war against terrorism started and ended that night; the bombing was not the beginning of anything. The White House press corps will remember forever where they were when they learned of the bombing. They were, as a group, in a theater, watching a movie, Wag the Dog. In that Hollywood movie inspired by Clinton, an American president involved in a horrendous sex scandal creates an artificial war to distract his nation. That movie played widely internationally, and had a particular impact on the Arab world. Yet, America’s congress never condemned Clinton for his behavior, never investigated, and never apologized. And the media did not condemn Clinton for this, and neither did the American public, nor her social and religious leaders.

And you wonder why we are hated. I think it is pretty obvious.
 

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drbrumley said:
And Bob says it best when he affirms


And you wonder why we are hated. I think it is pretty obvious.
FYI...

Bob also affirms that fact doesn't give the terrorists the right to attack us.

Bob also staunchly supports the war on terror.
 

drbrumley

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Ok, so you can come on my property, take alittle here, take alittle there, and not expect me to defend myself? Right.
 

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In case anybody hasn't figured it out yet, we don't own the middle east and it is not our playground.
 

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Knight said:
FYI...

Bob also affirms that fact doesn't give the terrorists the right to attack us.


That fact alone, you would be correct. But it is not that fact alone now is it. It is meddling in other nations affairs. You sure would not like it if I asserted my will upon you.
 

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drbrumley said:
That fact alone, you would be correct. But it is not that fact alone now is it. It is meddling in other nations affairs. You sure would not like it if I asserted my will upon you.
It doesn't matter if they like it our not.

Since when does the enemy "liking it" determine an actions value? The Nazi's didn't "like it" either but we still kicked their butt.

Did the enemies of David "like it" when he and his armies killed and destroyed evil nations?

Iraq harbored terrorists, because of that we destroyed their terrorist harboring government. Same thing for Afghanistan.
 

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Knight said:
It doesn't matter if they like it our not..

:sigh:
I'm not talking about fighting "criminals." I'm talking about the decades of asserting our agenda that we are the top dog over there, and basically buying nations off, manipulating elections, disposing leaders who disagreed with us. There is a term for that, "blowback."

Knight said:
Since when does the enemy "liking it" determine an actions value? The Nazi's didn't "like it" either but we still kicked their butt..

Have they always been our enemy?

Knight said:
Did the enemies of David "like it" when he and his armies killed and destroyed evil nations?.

Not the same thing and that's a bad representation of what we are doing over there.

Knight said:
Iraq harbored terrorists, because of that we destroyed their terrorist harboring government. Same thing for Afghanistan.

Afganistan, yes, they were there. Iraq? Please. Like Saddam and Osama were best friends and planned it together. Please don't reguritate the mis-information that Bush and company like to say.
 

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drbrumley said:
:sigh:
I'm not talking about fighting "criminals." I'm talking about the decades of asserting our agenda that we are the top dog over there, and basically buying nations off, manipulating elections, disposing leaders who disagreed with us.

Isn't that better than invading a country and decimating the entire population? [Frankly, I support the 'decimation option']
 

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Knight said:
Iraq harbored terrorists, because of that we destroyed their terrorist harboring government. Same thing for Afghanistan.


Doc said:
Afganistan, yes, they were there. Iraq? Please.

Yep, there were terrorists there, also. Saddam harbored them , trained them ,rewarded them and encoiuraged them.

Doc said:
Like Saddam and Osama were best friends and planned it together.

Nobody has said that, but Saddam was a terrorist and he had ties with AlQueda.

Doc said:
Please don't reguritate the mis-information that Bush and company like to say.

Please stoip burying your head in the sand and regurgitating the mis-information of Moveon.org and the rest of the commie propaganda machine.

Saddam was a terrorist. Saddam violated over a dozen UN resolutions and we had every right and authority to depose him when he ignored them. He ignored the No-Fly Zones and he ignored the stipulations put on him from the first Gulf War.

Now stop changing the subject.
 
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drbrumley said:
Afganistan, yes, they were there. Iraq? Please. Like Saddam and Osama were best friends and planned it together. Please don't reguritate the mis-information that Bush and company like to say.
Doc you should be ashamed of yourself. I think you should publicly repent for how you give aid to the terrorists that want to murder us.

Any country that helps terrorists should be a target. I would have no problem blowing several other countries off the map.

Doc the reason you don't feel the same is you get all wrapped up in this phony 9-11 conspiracy crap. You have lost your way, and its tragic.

America may have it's problems, but it's still our country and it still is the best country on the face of this planet and I would rather try to fix our problems then to aid the terrorists that want to destroy us. Shame on you.
 

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Knight said:
Doc you should be ashamed of yourself. I think you should publicly repent for how you give aid to the terrorists that want to murder us.

Any country that helps terrorists should be a target. I would have no problem blowing several other countries off the map.

Doc the reason you don't feel the same is you get all wrapped up in this phony 9-11 conspiracy crap. You have lost your way, and its tragic.

America may have it's problems, but it's still our country and it still is the best country on the face of this planet and I would rather try to fix our problems then to aid the terrorists that want to destroy us. Shame on you.

:up:
 

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Doc, are you not aware of Saddam Hussien's terroristic activities?

[I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, here]
 

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Since America's war on terror, four countries no longer support and harbor terrorists as a governmental public policy (as they did prior):

- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Libia
- Pakistan

Hey, that's a start!
 
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