I commend you on your rejection of the Trinity, and I suggest that anyone who has a proper understanding of the OT basis of the NT would also reject the Trinity. I believe that there is One God the Father, and that our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God.I was a Christian without Trinitarian belief. I believe that a Jew can be saved without a belief in the Trinity. Does anyone want to challenge me on this? I am willing to discuss or have a conversation.
Greetings Jacob,I commend you on your rejection of the Trinity, and I suggest that anyone who has a proper understanding of the OT basis of the NT would also reject the Trinity. I believe that there is One God the Father, and that our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Kind regards
Trevor
There is no problem with the statement that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, but there is a wide range of opinion of what this represents. For my part, I believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God because God was his Father in the conception and birth process, while Mary was his mother Luke 1:34-35. Jesus was also the Son of God because of his spiritual development from a child Luke 2:40, 52 until his ministry when he was revealed as the Son of God, full of grace and truth John 1:14. He is also the Son of God because of his resurrection unto glory Romans 1:1-4, and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father Psalm 110:1 awaiting the time when God will send him back to the earth to establish the Kingdom of God upon the earth Acts 1:11, 3:19-21, Isaiah 2:1-4, Daniel 2:35,44, Zechariah 14.God is our Father and the Father of Jesus Christ who is the only begotten Son of God. Any problem with this?
Again thank you for your post. I read all the scripture and I value the wisdom in your statements. I cannot agree with everything due to my lack of knowledge. I do not know where or how to disagree. For example, will there be a Kingdom of God upon the earth? Do we ever call Jesus the Son of God and not say the only begotten Son of God?Greetings again Jacob,There is no problem with the statement that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, but there is a wide range of opinion of what this represents. For my part, I believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God because God was his Father in the conception and birth process, while Mary was his mother Luke 1:34-35. Jesus was also the Son of God because of his spiritual development from a child Luke 2:40, 52 until his ministry when he was revealed as the Son of God, full of grace and truth John 1:14. He is also the Son of God because of his resurrection unto glory Romans 1:1-4, and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father Psalm 110:1 awaiting the time when God will send him back to the earth to establish the Kingdom of God upon the earth Acts 1:11, 3:19-21, Isaiah 2:1-4, Daniel 2:35,44, Zechariah 14.
Kind regards
Trevor
I suggest that some of these decisions are made over time, after careful comparison of differing views. I believe that there will be a Kingdom of God upon the earth, and not only base this upon the previous quotations but many others, for example the sequence in Ezekiel 38-39, 40-48. Also some view such terms "the Son of God" and "the only begotten Son of God" differently to how I understand these terms. Many do not connect "only begotten" with the conception and birth of Jesus. The two phrases have a range of meaning, partially overlapping, but "only begotten" has reference to the process of his birth as a human.Again thank you for your post. I read all the scripture and I value the wisdom in your statements. I cannot agree with everything due to my lack of knowledge. I do not know where or how to disagree. For example, will there be a Kingdom of God upon the earth? Do we ever call Jesus the Son of God and not say the only begotten Son of God?
Fair enough. Learning the details of what you are saying would be interesting to me if you have the time to teach them.Greetings again Jacob,I suggest that some of these decisions are made over time, after careful comparison of differing views. I believe that there will be a Kingdom of God upon the earth, and not only base this upon the previous quotations but many others, for example the sequence in Ezekiel 38-39, 40-48. Also some view such terms "the Son of God" and "the only begotten Son of God" differently to how I understand these terms. Many do not connect "only begotten" with the conception and birth of Jesus. The two phrases have a range of meaning, partially overlapping, but "only begotten" has reference to the process of his birth as a human.
Kind regards
Trevor
I was a Christian without Trinitarian belief. I believe that a Jew can be saved without a belief in the Trinity. Does anyone want to challenge me on this? I am willing to discuss or have a conversation.
All good!What does being a Jew have to do with it? - NOTHING!
All have sinned and are in need of a savior.
God became a man, whom we call Jesus, and died as an atoning sacrifice for sin.
Those who believe that and call upon Jesus to be their savior and believe that God raise Him from the dead will be saved.
This applies both to the Jew and the gentile alike.
Notice no mention of the Trinity. There are hundreds of biblical truths that are just as absolutely true as the sky is blue but that one is not required to believe in order to be saved.
Resting in Him,
Clete
A Sadducee can't be saved. Sadducees don't believe that God raises the dead.I was a Christian without Trinitarian belief. I believe that a Jew can be saved without a belief in the Trinity. Does anyone want to challenge me on this? I am willing to discuss or have a conversation.
A Sadducee can't be saved. Sadducees don't believe that God raises the dead.
I suggest that this is a long process, and you need to do some of the ground work yourself, by reading and trying to understand various parts of the Bible including the preaching by the Apostles in The Acts. One starting point is to fill in the detail of what Philip preached to the Samaritans, by comparing and expanding “the things concerning the Name of Jesus Christ” and “the things concerning the Kingdom of God” from the details given in the detailed speeches by Peter in Acts 2 and Acts 3 and Paul’s speech in Acts 13.Fair enough. Learning the details of what you are saying would be interesting to me if you have the time to teach them.
Your summary of what is required appears to be far short of the example of Philip’s preaching and what the Samaritans believed. Firstly you have not mentioned the Kingdom of God, let alone the things concerning the Kingdom of God. Also I disagree with your “God became a man” as Jesus is the Son of God, and I question whether your “died as an atoning sacrifice for sin” agrees with “the things concerning the name of Jesus Christ”. Thus the two major categories of the preaching of the Apostles and disciples are not covered by your summary.All have sinned and are in need of a savior.
God became a man, whom we call Jesus, and died as an atoning sacrifice for sin.
Those who believe that and call upon Jesus to be their savior and believe that God raise Him from the dead will be saved. This applies both to the Jew and the gentile alike.
Notice no mention of the Trinity. There are hundreds of biblical truths that are just as absolutely true as the sky is blue but that one is not required to believe in order to be saved.
Mt22:23KJV Ac23:8KJV :idunno:All Sadducees believe that?
Being saved means: Does the idea of Jesus rising from the dead, that He is not dead, make you happy and joyful? If yes, would you like to believe that He is risen from the dead, that He is not dead? If you do, and you believe that Jesus is risen from the dead, then you are saved, and you will be saved. That's what 'saved' means. If you are clear on that, we can discuss other things, but you led this part of your post with 'Does saved mean...' and that's more important than whatever else you're asking.Does saved mean that your sins are forgiven? And then you will be resurrected? Or, all people will be resurrected?
OK.Edit correction you said don't believe.
Thank you. Yes, from Matthew 5 I know that Jesus preached the kingdom of heaven.Greetings again Jacob and Greetings Clete, I suggest that this is a long process, and you need to do some of the ground work yourself, by reading and trying to understand various parts of the Bible including the preaching by the Apostles in The Acts. One starting point is to fill in the detail of what Philip preached to the Samaritans, by comparing and expanding “the things concerning the Name of Jesus Christ” and “the things concerning the Kingdom of God” from the details given in the detailed speeches by Peter in Acts 2 and Acts 3 and Paul’s speech in Acts 13.
Acts 8:5–12 (KJV): 5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
I believe that Jesus is risen from the dead.Mt22:23KJV Ac23:8KJV :idunno:
Being saved means: Does the idea of Jesus rising from the dead, that He is not dead, make you happy and joyful? If yes, would you like to believe that He is risen from the dead, that He is not dead? If you do, and you believe that Jesus is risen from the dead, then you are saved, and you will be saved. That's what 'saved' means. If you are clear on that, we can discuss other things, but you led this part of your post with 'Does saved mean...' and that's more important than whatever else you're asking.
OK.
Hebrews 10:4 KJVI believe that Jesus is risen from the dead.
Explain what.Angel or spirit? Both? Can you explain?
Okay. Not sure.Hebrews 10:4 KJV
Hebrews 10:14 KJV
Hebrews 10:17 KJV
Hebrews 10:39 KJV
You wrote,Explain what.
Sadducees can't be saved.Okay. Not sure.
You wrote,
Ac23:8KJV
Okay. I wanted to understand the verse.Sadducees can't be saved.
Let's be clear as crystal, right off the bat.Your summary of what is required appears to be far short of the example of Philip’s preaching and what the Samaritans believed. Firstly you have not mentioned the Kingdom of God, let alone the things concerning the Kingdom of God. Also I disagree with your “God became a man” as Jesus is the Son of God, and I question whether your “died as an atoning sacrifice for sin” agrees with “the things concerning the name of Jesus Christ”. Thus the two major categories of the preaching of the Apostles and disciples are not covered by your summary.
Kind regards
Trevor