Can life begin, or a brand new protein occur via naturalism?
When our TOL evolutionists claim that natural selection explains the origin of a brand new protein, or even the origin life, they've left out an enormous prerequisite. Natural selection can't select until there is something for it to select. That's true for the start of life, and for unique proteins to evolve. We creationists find the following truth almost universally ignored by evolutionists, not only here at TOL but everywhere: Natural selection cannot select something until it exists.
And by Darwinian naturalism, whatever is to be preserved must first come into existence by either random mutation or chance chemical reactions. Therefore, probability theory is directly relevant to the feasibility of evolution, although Darwinists widely ignore this discipline. So, can life (or even one of countless unique proteins) evolve by chance? Remember, before natural selection can preserve them, THEY FIRST MUST COME INTO EXISTENCE!
So, to get our minds around this question, we can start with a far easier problem, to help us comprehend this enormous difficulty:
Let's give the evolutionist their claimed fifteen billion years of the universe, and see if a random number generator can get the 26-letter English alphabet in order by chance. This is a parallel to Life Beginning, or random mutations producing a Brand New Protein, (which natural selection could then propagate).
To demonstrate this challenge, one of the world's premiere software engineers (you probably have used his software without knowing it) from Boulder, Colorado developed a program for Bob Enyart Live, called Evolve.exe, that rolls the dice to get the letters of the alphabet in their correct order by random chance. The program uses the best available random-number generator.
So far, we have run 43 trillion iterations, and our best result so far has been getting fourteen letters in their correct position, twice. See our KGOV Evolve Results page for specifics.
43,841,813,200,000 trials! That's over forty-three trillion attempts! Hey, I might not be that smart, but I’m persistent!
[Update 8-19: Since we updated the Evolve results on KGOV, others have emailed us mor results, and we now have 57,824,895,700,000! Wow. At this rate, we'll be at 100 Trillion attempts in ONLY EIGHT MORE YEARS! (If you'd like to help, please go to our Evolve.exe, page, download and start running the program!]
If you run this program (we've run it for ten years), you'll get a feel for the harsh reality of probabilities. How long will it take to get all 26 letters correct?
One year contains about 31,557,600 seconds. If your PC runs Evolve at 100,000 trials per second, you'll see 3,155,760,000,000 iterations in one year, i.e., 3.16 trillion trials per year. The probability of getting each letter in its correct position is 1 out of 26 tries, and so it will take (on average) 26 to the 26th power (26^26) trials to get the entire alphabet correct (and then natural selection would have something to work on, let's say, like the first life, or a brand new protein). At 100,000 trials per second it should take about:
26^26 (trials) / 3,155,760,000,000 (trials/year) = 1,950,756,580,000,000,000,000,000 years!
That's 1.95 septillion years! And evolutionists claim the entire universe is only about 15,000,000,000 (15 billion) years old. We're missing a serious number of zeroes here for feasible alphabet evolution.
Just imagine for the actual evolution of life, if after a septillion-trillion years, a single protein molecule formed in nature, and then nature, being its brutal self, simply destroyed it. What a waste of time!
Let's have one billion people run the KGOV Evolve program in parallel (averaging 100,000 trials/second), then it will only take about 1,950,756,580,000,000 years = 1.95 quadrillion years, still far longer than the entire supposed age of the universe, and you'd still only have a 26-letter alphabet, which is nothing as compared to the complexity of a simple protein!
So, here is the truth that our evolutionists, including our TOLers, refuse to acknowledge: Natural selection cannot work until it has something to select! Thus the probability is wildly unachievable in our universe for random chemical reactions to produce the first life, or for mutation to produce a brand new protein.
So, if any TOL evolutionist wants to engage on this issue, my first question is:
BE-Evolve-Q1: Can Natural Selection help with the original appearance of reproductive biological life, or does reproductive biological life have to exist first, before Natural Selection can begin propagating it?
Any takers?
-Bob Enyart
When our TOL evolutionists claim that natural selection explains the origin of a brand new protein, or even the origin life, they've left out an enormous prerequisite. Natural selection can't select until there is something for it to select. That's true for the start of life, and for unique proteins to evolve. We creationists find the following truth almost universally ignored by evolutionists, not only here at TOL but everywhere: Natural selection cannot select something until it exists.
And by Darwinian naturalism, whatever is to be preserved must first come into existence by either random mutation or chance chemical reactions. Therefore, probability theory is directly relevant to the feasibility of evolution, although Darwinists widely ignore this discipline. So, can life (or even one of countless unique proteins) evolve by chance? Remember, before natural selection can preserve them, THEY FIRST MUST COME INTO EXISTENCE!
So, to get our minds around this question, we can start with a far easier problem, to help us comprehend this enormous difficulty:
Let's give the evolutionist their claimed fifteen billion years of the universe, and see if a random number generator can get the 26-letter English alphabet in order by chance. This is a parallel to Life Beginning, or random mutations producing a Brand New Protein, (which natural selection could then propagate).
To demonstrate this challenge, one of the world's premiere software engineers (you probably have used his software without knowing it) from Boulder, Colorado developed a program for Bob Enyart Live, called Evolve.exe, that rolls the dice to get the letters of the alphabet in their correct order by random chance. The program uses the best available random-number generator.
So far, we have run 43 trillion iterations, and our best result so far has been getting fourteen letters in their correct position, twice. See our KGOV Evolve Results page for specifics.
43,841,813,200,000 trials! That's over forty-three trillion attempts! Hey, I might not be that smart, but I’m persistent!
[Update 8-19: Since we updated the Evolve results on KGOV, others have emailed us mor results, and we now have 57,824,895,700,000! Wow. At this rate, we'll be at 100 Trillion attempts in ONLY EIGHT MORE YEARS! (If you'd like to help, please go to our Evolve.exe, page, download and start running the program!]
If you run this program (we've run it for ten years), you'll get a feel for the harsh reality of probabilities. How long will it take to get all 26 letters correct?
One year contains about 31,557,600 seconds. If your PC runs Evolve at 100,000 trials per second, you'll see 3,155,760,000,000 iterations in one year, i.e., 3.16 trillion trials per year. The probability of getting each letter in its correct position is 1 out of 26 tries, and so it will take (on average) 26 to the 26th power (26^26) trials to get the entire alphabet correct (and then natural selection would have something to work on, let's say, like the first life, or a brand new protein). At 100,000 trials per second it should take about:
26^26 (trials) / 3,155,760,000,000 (trials/year) = 1,950,756,580,000,000,000,000,000 years!
That's 1.95 septillion years! And evolutionists claim the entire universe is only about 15,000,000,000 (15 billion) years old. We're missing a serious number of zeroes here for feasible alphabet evolution.
Just imagine for the actual evolution of life, if after a septillion-trillion years, a single protein molecule formed in nature, and then nature, being its brutal self, simply destroyed it. What a waste of time!
Let's have one billion people run the KGOV Evolve program in parallel (averaging 100,000 trials/second), then it will only take about 1,950,756,580,000,000 years = 1.95 quadrillion years, still far longer than the entire supposed age of the universe, and you'd still only have a 26-letter alphabet, which is nothing as compared to the complexity of a simple protein!
So, here is the truth that our evolutionists, including our TOLers, refuse to acknowledge: Natural selection cannot work until it has something to select! Thus the probability is wildly unachievable in our universe for random chemical reactions to produce the first life, or for mutation to produce a brand new protein.
So, if any TOL evolutionist wants to engage on this issue, my first question is:
BE-Evolve-Q1: Can Natural Selection help with the original appearance of reproductive biological life, or does reproductive biological life have to exist first, before Natural Selection can begin propagating it?
Any takers?
-Bob Enyart
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