Astronomy Computer?

bob b

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One of my favorite conjectures is that the "ancients" had a higher level of technology than they are generally given credit for, but that knowledge is not only gained over time but is sometimes lost (e.g. the "Dark Ages"). The following may support my conjecture to some degree ( taken from http://www.physorg.com/news68796309.html).

Researchers find hidden Greek text on 'world's oldest astronomy computer' --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The size of a shoebox, a mysterious bronze device scooped out of a Roman-era shipwreck at the dawn of the 20th century has baffled scientists for years. Now a British researcher has stunningly established it as the world's oldest surviving astronomy computer.

A team of Greek and British scientists probing the secrets of the Antikythera Mechanism has managed to decipher ancient Greek inscriptions unseen for over 2,000 years, members of the project say.

"Part of the text on the machine, over 1,000 characters, had already been deciphered, but we have succeeded in doubling this total," said physician Yiannis Bitsakis, part of a multi-disciplinary team of researchers from universities in Athens, Salonika and Cardiff, the Athens National Archaeological Museum and the Hewlett-Packard company.

"We have now deciphered 95 percent of the text," he told AFP.

Scooped out of a Roman shipwreck located in 1900 by sponge divers near the southern Greek island of Antikythera, and kept at the Athens National Archaeological Museum, the Mechanism contains over 30 bronze wheels and dials, and is covered in astronomical inscriptions.

Probably operated by crank, it survives in three main pieces and some smaller fragments.

"(The device) could calculate the position of certain stars, at least the Sun and Moon, and perhaps predict astronomical phenomena," said astrophysicist Xenophon Moussas of Athens University.

"It was probably rare, if not unique," he added.

The rarity of the Antikythera Mechanism precluded its removal from the museum, so an eight-tonne 'body scanner' had to be assembled on-site for the privately-funded project, which used three-dimensional tomography to expose the unseen inscriptions.

The first appraisal of the Mechanism's purpose was put forward in the 1960s by British science historian Derek Price, but the scientists' latest discovery raises more questions.

"It is a puzzle concerning astronomical and mathematical knowledge in antiquity," said Moussas. "The Mechanism could actually rewrite certain chapters in this area."

"The challenge is to place this device into a scientific context, as it comes almost out of nowhere... and flies in the face of established theory that considers the ancient Greeks were lacking in applied technical knowledge," adds Bitsakis, also of Athens University.

The researchers are also looking at the broader remains of the Roman ship -- believed to have sunk around 80 BC -- for clues to the Mechanism's origin.

One theory under examination is that the device was created in an academy founded by the ancient Stoic philosopher Poseidonios on the Greek island of Rhodes.

The writings of 1st-century AD Roman orator and philosopher Cicero -- himself a former student of Poseidonios -- cite a device with similarities to the Mechanism.

"Like Alexandria, Rhodes was a great centre of astronomy at the time," said Moussas. "The boat where the device was discovered could have been part of a convoy to Rome, bearing treasure looted from the island for the purpose of a triumph parade staged by Julius Caesar."

The new findings are to be discussed at an international congress scheduled to be held in Athens in November.
 

bob b

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Gerald said:
The ancient Greeks also had steam power, so this isn't particularly surprising.

Nothing is surprising once it is understood.

I have been following this story ever since I first read about it decades ago. At that time it was being ignored by mainline scientists as probably another "crank" claim akin to the many seen today on internet sites.

Do you suppose that the trilobite fossil seen within a fossilized shoe print may someday be called "this isn't particularly surprising"?
 

Gerald

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bob b said:
Do you suppose that the trilobite fossil seen within a fossilized shoe print may someday be called "this isn't particularly surprising"?
Doubtful.

I'm expecting the Evil Cabal of Satanic Atheistic Mad Scientists, under the direction of the Antichrist, to soon make their move to permanently silence those folks (along with those people who claim that dinosaurs were fire-breathing dragons and that skeletons of giants are being kept hidden by the above-mentioned cabal).

Why they haven't started before now mystifies me... :devil:
 

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Gerald said:
Doubtful.

I'm expecting the Evil Cabal of Satanic Atheistic Mad Scientists, under the direction of the Antichrist, to soon make their move to permanently silence those folks (along with those people who claim that dinosaurs were fire-breathing dragons and that skeletons of giants are being kept hidden by the above-mentioned cabal).

Why they haven't started before now mystifies me... :devil:

Your childish reply "isn't particularly surprising". ;)
 

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bob b said:
Nothing is surprising once it is understood.
Like evolution.

Do you suppose that the trilobite fossil seen within a fossilized shoe print may someday be called "this isn't particularly surprising"?
It's hardly more surprising than finding a stone within a fossilized shoe print.
 

Gerald

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bob b said:
Your childish reply "isn't particularly surprising". ;)
Hey, I answered you seriously when I said "doubtful".

As for the rest which, admittedly, was a joke, you can't deny that the current dominant faction in the halls of scientific thought has a vested interest in denying, discrediting or covering up any discoveries that even remotely suggest a supernatural dimension to reality, right?

It's really no different from the pharmaceutical companies, who have a vested interest in maintaining the dominance of the current paradigm in medicine. Why do you think they're so quick to debunk all those studies on prayer and "distant healing"?
 

TheDude

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The History channel ran a few programs when the Da Vinci fever was running high about things like that. I remember reading about the Antikythera Mechanism years ago. All I can say is that I wish they had plastics and rubbers. If they had history would be totally different.
 
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