Are these women innocent victims, or depraved fools?

Are these women innocent victims, or depraved fools?

  • Yes.

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  • Kinda-sorta.

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musterion

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http://nypost.com/2017/09/14/fake-porn-producer-goes-to-prison-for-duping-women-into-sex/

Prosecutors said Antoine, while posing as a woman named “Nikki,” would reach out to women on Facebook to ask if they were interested in modeling. He would then promise them thousands of dollars in profits and claim that their nude photos would only be available on private websites overseas. Antoine then met the women and produced phony documents to make his businesses seem authentic, even making the female victims sign release forms and contracts before filming sex sessions with them.

“He told me I had to audition … and do several different sex acts [with him], which I did,” one victim, now 25, told WDAF.
 

Tambora

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I'm going to say they were victims.
They were not there to party with the guy for sexual self gratification, but were there for a business deal of being an actor for legitimate porn photos.
The business was a fraud and he was a con artist.
It was a scam.

We could debate if any sexual activity outside of marriage is appropriate.
But as far as them being victims of a scam, they were.

So, depending on if you are basing the 'victim-hood' on legal grounds of a scam, or moral grounds of having sex, will alter the answer to the question.
 

Nihilo

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Sans lust, there's no story here; and I know I sound chauvinistic, but I think that's more important than the whoring, because without the lust, there's no whoring even possible. It's possibility is founded upon the lust, so while whoring is blameable, it's only reasonable to only explicitly condemn the whoring, in the full light of condemning the lust first. Without the lust, the whoring can't happen.
 

musterion

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Sans lust, there's no story here; and I know I sound chauvinistic, but I think that's more important than the whoring, because without the lust, there's no whoring even possible. It's possibility is founded upon the lust, so while whoring is blameable, it's only reasonable to only explicitly condemn the whoring, in the full light of condemning the lust first. Without the lust, the whoring can't happen.

1. The condemnation of the lust which creates the demand for whoring is assumed as a given, or should be. It goes without saying.

2. Anyway, is the guy a criminal and a lying scumbag? Yep. But he played on those women's lust for money and porn-fame just as much as they sought to play on his and other men's lust for sex. Both were exploitative, he just got the better of them (for awhile).

3. Just BTW...there is no difference between porn ("legal/okay") and prostitution ("Illegal/not okay"). They're the exact same thing, except one is filmed and the films sold for profit.
 

Nihilo

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1. The condemnation of the lust which creates the demand for whoring is assumed as a given, or should be. It goes without saying.
It should. But it doesn't. Lust is the soil, whores are the plants. There's no plants without fer-tile soil.
2. Anyway, is the guy a criminal and a lying scumbag? Yep.
He's a man, so ..

In all seriousness, he tricked whores into working for free, by not paying his invoices, he's a broke customer for these whores, so they sued him, to get their whore money. They're using the courts to do it. They couldn't do this at church.
But he played on those women's lust for money and porn-fame just as much as they sought to play on his and other men's lust for sex. Both were exploitative, he just got the better of them (for awhile).
He didn't get the better of them at all, no matter how twisted his mindframe is wrt to what is supposed to be exclusively marital relations. They did next to nothing to him, and now he's being assaulted by the courts. He's going to lose; this will not go well for him, and what did he trick these whores into giving him? Anything of lasting value? Nothing of lasting value....
3. Just BTW...there is no difference between porn ("legal/okay") and prostitution ("Illegal/not okay"). They're the exact same thing, except one is filmed and the films sold for profit.
The courts disagree with you; what does that tell you? Because I agree with you 100-percent, they're censored, for money. That's prostitution. But the courts are more nuanced and somehow or other, First Amendment, and we're seeing the results in the fruits of the happening. You can't .. put it this way: The courts' solution to the problem of porneia, is to gravely discourage us from ever censored for money UNLESS IT'S IN FRONT OF A CAMERA.

You can't make this stuff up.
 

musterion

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if some enterprising law weasel tries to invent the concept of rape by deception for cases like this. I'll be even less surprised to learn that it's already happened.
 
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