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prodigal

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The last time I started a thread on this site I was pretty much picking a fight in that I asked anyone and everyone to sell me christianity, or religion in general. You all failed and I was very disappointed. But I'm back, my faith in all of you is restored and I'm ready to pick another fight.

Ima cut right to the chase. I don't much about anything, but I do know what I see with my own eyes, and what I see is a bunch of folks arguing over the validity of book that was written thousands of years ago. And what of the original copy of this book? I don't think there is one. And what of the original authors? Wheless I believe wrote that the book of Luke was actually written by Mark and that Nazareth didn't actually exist until after Jesus was dead. Not that I have much of an appreciation for Wheless, I think he was just as pompous, bombastic and long winded as the folks who wrote the bible, but I'm mostly saying that to enflame the intolerant souls of those who claim to be "saved".

Saved from what may I ask? An eternal hell? A place of fire and brimstone where "sinners" burn for eons because they chose not God but themselves? It's a convenient device. Believe or go to hell. Nice. And how do we know hell exists? Because a 2,000 year old book said so! Nice again! It's so silly it's mind boggling. It's easy to understand how people buy into it. People need answers. They're scared of death, they enjoy being slaves to a system because they're too weak to believe that the world really is what you make of it. So scare them with hell and Satan, keep them on their toes, keep them examining themselves and they'll never examine anything else. It works. Bravo. As soon as I'm done typing, all of you christians get a golfer's clap.

I really did clap too.

So y'all believe in an ancient book. Fairly primitive guys. 2,000 years and none of your scholars agree on anything. 2,000 years and how many different sects have arisen? How many churches live in hostility towards one another? How many churches would refuse to sit down and eat your sacrements together because they disagree on some insignificant point in your highly convoluted practice of god worship? 2,000 years and how many inquisitions, witch burnings, alienations and atrocities? 2,000 years and y'all still don't agree, y'all still don't have it right, y'all just don't know what you're talking about. My question is: how much longer will it take for christianity to finally get it right? I mean, the bible says something like (I'm paraphrasing, don't get all ticked off or nothin') the number of believers will be as the sands of the shore, something like that right? Well in that case I guess christianity can take as long as it wants, which is almost as convenient as hell and satan.

I guess my overall point is, christianity is obsolete, the bible is good for nothing more than moral truths that even non-christians can get right, and y'all need to move on. I believe in God, but I think it's a much bigger thing than christianity can encompass. Christianity is empty, rote, antiquated and useless, unless of course you want to control people, in which case I've seen it work flawlessly. It's a darned book, an old one at that. You don't have an original, you can't prove that it was written by who you said it was written by, you can't prove that what it says is true, you can't prove hell, you can't prove satan, you can't prove heaven, yet you tell everyone not to believe what they can demonstrate with their five senses and to follow blindly the rantings of a book that you weren't even there to see get written.

It's foolishness, it's madness, and I think it's sick, twisted and is propagated by no one else but the sick of mind, control freaks, and weakling masses who crave answers and are provided them by those who are on power trips.

Forgive my venom.

The fight has been picked.

I can't wait.
 

The Berean

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Re: I believe religion to be obsolete

Re: I believe religion to be obsolete

Originally posted by prodigal

The last time I started a thread on this site I was pretty much picking a fight in that I asked anyone and everyone to sell me christianity, or religion in general. You all failed and I was very disappointed. But I'm back, my faith in all of you is restored and I'm ready to pick another fight.

Ima cut right to the chase. I don't much about anything, but I do know what I see with my own eyes, and what I see is a bunch of folks arguing over the validity of book that was written thousands of years ago. And what of the original copy of this book? I don't think there is one. And what of the original authors? Wheless I believe wrote that the book of Luke was actually written by Mark and that Nazareth didn't actually exist until after Jesus was dead. Not that I have much of an appreciation for Wheless, I think he was just as pompous, bombastic and long winded as the folks who wrote the bible, but I'm mostly saying that to enflame the intolerant souls of those who claim to be "saved".

Saved from what may I ask? An eternal hell? A place of fire and brimstone where "sinners" burn for eons because they chose not God but themselves? It's a convenient device. Believe or go to hell. Nice. And how do we know hell exists? Because a 2,000 year old book said so! Nice again! It's so silly it's mind boggling. It's easy to understand how people buy into it. People need answers. They're scared of death, they enjoy being slaves to a system because they're too weak to believe that the world really is what you make of it. So scare them with hell and Satan, keep them on their toes, keep them examining themselves and they'll never examine anything else. It works. Bravo. As soon as I'm done typing, all of you christians get a golfer's clap.

I really did clap too.

So y'all believe in an ancient book. Fairly primitive guys. 2,000 years and none of your scholars agree on anything. 2,000 years and how many different sects have arisen? How many churches live in hostility towards one another? How many churches would refuse to sit down and eat your sacrements together because they disagree on some insignificant point in your highly convoluted practice of god worship? 2,000 years and how many inquisitions, witch burnings, alienations and atrocities? 2,000 years and y'all still don't agree, y'all still don't have it right, y'all just don't know what you're talking about. My question is: how much longer will it take for christianity to finally get it right? I mean, the bible says something like (I'm paraphrasing, don't get all ticked off or nothin') the number of believers will be as the sands of the shore, something like that right? Well in that case I guess christianity can take as long as it wants, which is almost as convenient as hell and satan.

I guess my overall point is, christianity is obsolete, the bible is good for nothing more than moral truths that even non-christians can get right, and y'all need to move on. I believe in God, but I think it's a much bigger thing than christianity can encompass. Christianity is empty, rote, antiquated and useless, unless of course you want to control people, in which case I've seen it work flawlessly. It's a darned book, an old one at that. You don't have an original, you can't prove that it was written by who you said it was written by, you can't prove that what it says is true, you can't prove hell, you can't prove satan, you can't prove heaven, yet you tell everyone not to believe what they can demonstrate with their five senses and to follow blindly the rantings of a book that you weren't even there to see get written.

It's foolishness, it's madness, and I think it's sick, twisted and is propagated by no one else but the sick of mind, control freaks, and weakling masses who crave answers and are provided them by those who are on power trips.

Forgive my venom.

The fight has been picked.

I can't wait.

Then why are you here at TOL? :rolleyes:
 

Lighthouse

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prodigal-
logos_x is right. Now, forgiveness is yours. Salvation is not salvation from hell. It is salvation from sin. It is complete freedom. It is to be dead to sin. I don't believe what I beleive, because I'm scared of death. In fact, I'm not scared of death. I'm not a slave to a system, either. I don't adhere to rules and regulations. I let Christ live in me. And that is all.
 

Aimiel

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Re: I believe religion to be obsolete

Re: I believe religion to be obsolete

Originally posted by prodigal

It's foolishness, it's madness, and I think it's sick, twisted and is propagated by no one else but the sick of mind, control freaks, and weakling masses who crave answers and are provided them by those who are on power trips.
The Word of God is Truth. That's the reason that you can't stand it. You can't handle The Truth.
 

Granite

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Prodigal: good stuff, agree with a lot of what you throw out there.

For everyone baffled by why he's here...don't ANY of you appreciate the pleasures of picking a fight?:D
 

Aimiel

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Originally posted by logos_x

You are absolutely right. Religion is obsolete.
Now...move on.
God never liked religion.
This is true. Men try to 'achieve' Heaven with religion. Jesus came to earth to find men who were lost, and show us the way to Heaven, which is by faith in Him. :thumb:
 

prodigal

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(prodigal-
logos_x is right. Now, forgiveness is yours. Salvation is not salvation from hell. It is salvation from sin. It is complete freedom. It is to be dead to sin. I don't believe what I beleive, because I'm scared of death. In fact, I'm not scared of death. I'm not a slave to a system, either. I don't adhere to rules and regulations. I let Christ live in me. And that is all.)

So you don't believe in hell? Saved from sin? Sin like what? Don't you sin anyway, despite christ "living" inside of you? christians still sin, and non-christians can still be wonderful people. Your point is as irrelevant as it is inane.

(The Word of God is Truth. That's the reason that you can't stand it. You can't handle The Truth.)

Prove it. That's my response to that utter poppycock. You claim that the bible is truth, yet you can't prove it. Don't you think there's something wrong with claiming something which you cannot prove to be the truth to be the truth? If you can't prove something exists than that's as good as proving that it doesn't. See my point? The only proof you have that the bible is true is that the bible exists. But so does the Chronicles of Narnia. Doesn't make them true, no matter how many people believe it. You believe it's true without proof. You cast off your own perception of reality for that which cannot be demonstrated. It's absurd.

Is that the best y'all've got?

(Then why are you here at TOL?)

Because I am both an observer and an agitator. When I observe something that baffles and disturbs me, I agitate. That's my thing, that's what I do.
 

Aimiel

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Originally posted by prodigal

You claim that the bible is truth, yet you can't prove it. Don't you think there's something wrong with claiming something which you cannot prove to be the truth to be the truth?
The Spirit of The Lord gives believers assurance that His Word is Truth. We don't have any proof (at all) that you have a brain, but we believe that there is one (however small it might be). Please keep in mind that those who are perishing (currently on their way to hell) find the preaching of The Cross to be foolishness. The god of this world (Satan) has blinded your mind, to prevent you from coming to a knowledge of The Truth. There are many factors in your life that assist his work, and even promote it.
 

Aimiel

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Originally posted by satalien

proof of his brain would be pretty easy to acquire with the right amount of time and money.
I know people who would bring it to you in a box for $50.00.
 

Lighthouse

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Originally posted by prodigal

(prodigal-
logos_x is right. Now, forgiveness is yours. Salvation is not salvation from hell. It is salvation from sin. It is complete freedom. It is to be dead to sin. I don't believe what I beleive, because I'm scared of death. In fact, I'm not scared of death. I'm not a slave to a system, either. I don't adhere to rules and regulations. I let Christ live in me. And that is all.)

So you don't believe in hell? Saved from sin? Sin like what? Don't you sin anyway, despite christ "living" inside of you? christians still sin, and non-christians can still be wonderful people. Your point is as irrelevant as it is inane.
Yes, I believe in hell. And it is seperation from God. But that is not what we are saved from. We are saved from ourselves. We are set free to be in Christ. We are made dead to sin. And it seems you have met some people who don't know the meaning of sin. Sin is transgression of the law, and apart form the law there is no transgression. And those who are in Christ are not under the law. They are under grace. So those things that were formerly counted as sin against them, are no longer counted against them as such. Because they are free from sin. They are free from its power and sting. And they are free from its strength, which is the law. We are made righteous by Christ, and only by Christ. Nothing else can make us righteous. And it is only by being righteous that we can enter into Christ. Being good is not good enough. There is nothing we can do to be good enough, because none of us are righteous, without Him. And when one knows the truth it makes them free. I used to struggle with pornography. It was my biggest vice. And I couldn't stop myself. I didn't know why. And it was because I was relying on myself to stop. But when I learned the truth that Christ has forgiven all my sin, and made me dead to sin, not only did I stop looking at pornography, I quit desiring to look at it. I don't want it anymore. All because of Christ. And you can be free too.
 

Rolf Ernst

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Prodigal--A man "can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven."

Sooo--you think that the resurrection of a man who said in advance that He would be raised up is foolishness, huh? That is what you are up against. Christ's resurrection proves that you are the one who is foolish. Not only did he raise Lazarus who had been dead four days, but He said that the hour was coming in which all who were in the graves would hear His voice and come forth.

That includes you and, by the way, He is the one who has been appointed to be your judge. Scoff while you can! The triumphing of the wicked is short!!
 

dotcom

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Re: I believe religion to be obsolete

Re: I believe religion to be obsolete

Originally posted by prodigal

I believe in God, but I think it's a much bigger thing than christianity can encompass.

That would be a good place to start prodigal. Which God do you believe in?

Christianity is empty, rote, antiquated and useless, unless of course you want to control people, in which case I've seen it work flawlessly.

You could have started by telling us what is NOT empty, what is not rote, what is not useless before you vent your anger to Christians. Would you mind? It just makes it easier to address the myriad of accusations you have made against Christians.
 

prodigal

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(The Spirit of The Lord gives believers assurance that His Word is Truth. We don't have any proof (at all) that you have a brain, but we believe that there is one (however small it might be). Please keep in mind that those who are perishing (currently on their way to hell) find the preaching of The Cross to be foolishness. The god of this world (Satan) has blinded your mind, to prevent you from coming to a knowledge of The Truth. There are many factors in your life that assist his work, and even promote it. )

The proof that I have a brain is that I'm alive and well. And why do you have to be so hostile, Aimiel? Why did you have to call my brain small? Because I vehemently disagree with you? You're right, I do think that the preaching of the cross is foolishness. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a christian, I just don't think it's necessary. And elevating satan to the place of a god is great. It tickles me pink that in order for the death of christ to have any validity, satan, hell and sin all must become just as powerful. Without sin, without hell, without satan your god of the world, Jesus has no power. Oh and once again Aimiel, you can't prove anything that you said before. Not a word of it. The only proof you have that the bible or anything you say is true is because you believe it. You can't prove that it is true, yet you ask that I cast off my perception of reality to believe in that which cannot be proven, like your god of the earth, satan. You can't prove anything you believe, not a word of it. My point isn't to try and make you stop believing, but to be a little bit more reasonable about it. You can't ask people to believe in that which cannot be proven to exist, especially in the face of evidence that says it doesn't, and then insult them by saying they're tools of the earth god satan.

(That would be a good place to start prodigal. Which God do you believe in?)

I don't subscribe to religion of any sort. The only reason I believe god exists is because evolution makes little to no sense. God is the only reasonable explanation for any of this. Other than that, I'm an empiricist who believes that all religion, while kind of cool sometimes, is empty, rote and useless. I think it's a waste of time. I don't believe there's anything in some old book that can teach me about god that I can't figure out on my own. If it floats your boat, more power to you, but don't go passing it off as indisputable truth, please. Don't insult the intelligence of those who don't agree with you. Aimiel is most guilty of that so far. I was a christian my whole life, but it ceased to be good enough for me when I stepped back and looked at it from the outside. I kept an open mind, I guess that's what Aimiel would refer to as the work of satan. I remained objective though, and I realized that religion was good for nothing but a discipline to live your life by. It's an option. I don't believe in salvation from anything, not from sin, not from hell, not from satan, not from anything. I'm not calling people who disagree with me fools and tools of an evil earth god, I'm simply saying that christians must remain objective if they want to effectively communicate with those who disagree.
 

Ecumenicist

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Religion is the human response to God.

If its expressed in gratitude, its a good thing.

If its expressed in self righteousness, its a bad thing.

Its all about attitude...

djm
 

Granite

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Aimiel and others have to be hostile because it's the basis of their faith. Christianity is founded on fear: fear of sin, fear of God, fear of the devil, fear of hell.
 

Aimiel

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The fear of The Lord is only the beginning of wisdom, which people who don't have it profess themselves to be wise, and so, have become fools.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
 
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