Any universalists on TOL?

[musterion]

Universalism (more correctly, universal salvationism) is the belief that every human being that has ever lived will eventually be forgiven, saved, redeemed, justified, made right with God, no matter what they did or did not believe about Him during this life. Some go as far as to say that even Satan will be restored to God.

That raises a question that I don't see any U's trying hard to answer:

It is a fact of the Bible that without faith it is impossible to please God. And not just nebulous "faith" generally, but faith in precisely what He said He expects someone to believe. That has been true from the beginning.

Q. Since it is impossible to please Him without faith, how do all unbelievers, some of whom died willfully rejecting and publicizing their hatred for Christ, get saved after death?

Take any one of the several 18th and 19th century philosophers who were flat-out, Christ-hating atheists. How does such a man, now dead, end up saved?

 

[Nihilo]

Hitler and Stalin all by themselves ought to be enough to nail the coffin of universalism shut. Some universalists, probably in direct response to the Hitler and Stalin argument, invoke a purgatory-like post-death purification in which even the most evil monsters of history get to wash up before entering the pearly gates.

 

[musterion]

Hitler and Stalin all by themselves ought to be enough to nail the coffin of universalism shut. Some universalists, probably in direct response to the Hitler and Stalin argument, invoke a purgatory-like post-death purification in which even the most evil monsters of history get to wash up before entering the pearly gates.

So they borrow from your church.

 

[Nihilo]

So they borrow from your church.

From the Church. 'Sure do. Unethically, illicitly, invalidly, wrongly; yes. Plagiarism.

 

[ok doser]

don't mormons have a form of universalism?

seems to me I heard that they pray for the dead

 

[musterion]

They baptize for dead folks, yep.

 

[ok doser]

that's it

seems silly to me, but i guess it makes them happy :idunno:

 

[musterion]

I think there's a U streak in Mormons that goes even beyond that.

 

[ok doser]

and don't even get me started on their magic underwear :chuckle:

 

[jamie]

How does such a man, now dead, end up saved?

They are restored to life and we teach them God's word, the Bible.

Those who choose to believe in the salvation offered through Jesus Christ will live, those who don't, won't.

 

[ok doser]

Take any one of the several 18th and 19th century philosophers who were flat-out, Christ-hating atheists. How does such a man, now dead, end up saved?

They are restored to life and we teach them God's word, the Bible.

Those who choose to believe in the salvation offered through Jesus Christ will live, those who don't, won't.

they knew the word of God in life and chose to reject it

 

[Eagles Wings]

They are restored to life and we teach them God's word, the Bible.

Those who choose to believe in the salvation offered through Jesus Christ will live, those who don't, won't.

The OP is talking about someone who is already six feet under.

 

[jamie]

Some go as far as to say that even Satan will be restored to God.

And one person goes so far as to say: "You defiled your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities, by the iniquity of your trading, therefore I brought fire from your midst - it devoured you and I turned you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all who saw you. All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you, you have become a horror and shall be no more forever." (Ezekiel 28:18-19)

So I guess it depends on whom you choose to believe.

 

[jamie]

The OP is talking about someone who is already six feet under.

And so is Revelation 20:5.

 

[jamie]

they knew the word of God in life and chose to reject it

Big deal.

"And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him — the word that I have spoken will judge him in the Last Day." (John 12;47-48)

 

[Eagles Wings]

And so is Revelation 20:5.

I think once a person physically dies in unbelief, there is no second chance.


John 5:28-29

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

41So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.

42I knew that You always hear Me, but I say this for the benefit of the people standing here, so they may believe that You sent Me.”

43After Jesus had said this, He called out in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!”…


33When they came to the place called The Skull, they crucified Him there, along with the criminals, one on His right and the other on His left.

34Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up His garments by casting lots.

35The people stood watching, and the rulers sneered at Him, saying, “He saved others; let Him save Himself if He is the Christ of God, the Chosen One.”…



Interesting he didn't add not my will but yours.......:nono::think:

 

[jamie]

I think once a person physically dies in unbelief, there is no second chance.

There is no second chance. However the Spirit is calling a few to work with Christ in his kingdom.

The rest will be called in the second resurrection.

If you don't believe what the Father says about the Last Day then the kingdom may not be for you.

 

[Eagles Wings]

If you don't believe what the Father says about the Last Day then the kingdom may not be for you.

I have to hold my tongue on a statement like this.

 

[Zeke]

So the lamb slain before the foundation of the world perverted into a carnal event 2000 years ago didnt have hitlers and all those baddies in mind including the manifest destiny doctrine that genicided the native people here yet divine love demands you must forgive all trespasses to be free and will all be saved like who ?God you all claim to follow Superstitiously that is.