Angel Of The Lord

[CherubRam]

Angel Of The Lord

Angel also means "messenger"

Rev 22:8-9
I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.
But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"

The messenger told John not to bow down, he was a fellow servant.

Zech 3:4
The (angel / messenger) said to those who were standing before him, "Take off his filthy clothes." Then he said to him, "See, I have taken away your sin, and I will put rich garments on you."

The messenger of Yahwah in this verse is saying he has taken away his sin and puts new garments on him. If this is a messenger and not God, then what he is doing is blasphemous. Matt 9:2-6; Mark 2:5-11; Luke 5:21-24.

Matthew 9:6
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.


Mark 2:7
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Mark 2:10
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

Luke 5:21
And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

Luke 5:24
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.

Luke 7:49
And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


Judges 13:17-18
Then Manoah inquired of the angel of the LORD, "What is your name, so that we may honor you when your word comes true?"
He replied, "Why do you ask my name? It is a secret.
(Hebrew meaning: remarkable, secret, wonderful.)


Judges 13:19-20, 22
Then Manoah took a young goat, together with the grain offering, and sacrificed it on a rock to the LORD...

As the flame blazed up from the altar toward heaven, the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame. Seeing this, Manoah and his wife fell with their faces to the ground...

"We are doomed to die!" he said to his wife. "We have seen God!" (a elohiym)


When the only being mentioned is the angel of the Lord, why then does Manoah exclaim that he's seen God? Angels don't accept worship.


Judges 2:1-4
The angel of the LORD went up from Gilgal to Bokim and said,

• [FONT=&quot]"I brought you up out of Egypt and [/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]led you into the land that I swore[/FONT][FONT=&quot] to give to your forefathers. [/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]I said[/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]'I will never break my covenant with you, [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The Lord or God is never mentioned here. It is only the angel. [/FONT]

• [FONT=&quot]This angel claims he led these people out of Egypt. [/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]This angel claims he was the one who promised them a better place. [/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]This angel claims he promised never to break his covenant. [/FONT]

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That means this angel also implies he was the one who made the covenant in the first place with these people. When these are the things God has done and said, if this angel were not God, then would he also be blaspheming?

and you shall not make a covenant with the people of this land, but you shall break down their altars.' [/FONT]

• [FONT=&quot]Yet you have disobeyed me. Why have you done this? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This angel doesn't say "you disobeyed God" or "you disobeyed the Lord" this angel says "you disobeyed me" Why? [/FONT]

• [FONT=&quot]Now therefore I tell you that [/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]I will[/FONT][FONT=&quot] not drive them out before you; they will be thorns in your sides and their gods will be a snare to you." [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]When the angel of the LORD had spoken these things to all the Israelites, the people wept aloud,

Unlike many of the Bible passages which alternate between the Angel of the Lord and the Lord, this passage only refers to "the Angel of the Lord." And yet this angel is speaking in first person, not in third as you would expect.

In Hebrew many times the only way to tell what the meaning of a word is, is in the context it’s used. The same is also true with Greek. Angel can mean created being, or it can mean messenger. Arch means principal or chief.



Yahshua is called the Word of God, because he knows the will of the Father. And for that reason he speaks for the Father.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]John 1:1[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,[/FONT]
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[CherubRam]

As we can see from scriptures is that Peniel WAS the Angel of the Lord. (Messenger of Yahwah) Not only did he speak for Yahwah, but he also could forgive sins. He is able to do this because he knows the will of the Father.

 

[CherubRam]

Malachi 3:1
"See, I (Yahwah) will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. (Yahwah) Then suddenly the lord (Yahshua) you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says Yahwah Almighty.

Yahshua was the messenger of the New Covenant.

 

[CherubRam]

[h=4][FONT=&quot]Genesis 32[/FONT][/h] [FONT=&quot] 27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 29And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen [God / a god] face to face, and my life is preserved. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 31And he passed Penuel as the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Genesis 32:31 Hebrew Penuel, a variant of Peniel[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Judges 13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 16And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the LORD. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 17And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 18And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret? [/FONT]
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[CherubRam]

Enoch Ch 40. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: 'Who are these four presences which I have 9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?' And he said to me: 'This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.' 10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

Phanuel is a variant of Peniel.

 

[CherubRam]

The Book of Enoch was originally an inspired work that later became corrupted by Gnostic's.

 

[CherubRam]

I reveal mysteries like the highest messengers to you guys, and what do I get for my effort; deer in the headlights.

 

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]Sleep not[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot][Chapter 40] [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1 And after that I saw thousands of thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, I saw a multitude 2 beyond number and reckoning, who stood before the Lord of Spirits. And on the four sides of the Lord of Spirits I saw four presences, different from those that sleep not, and I learnt their names: for the angel that went with me made known to me their names, and showed me all the hidden things. 3 And I heard the voices of those four presences as they uttered praises before the Lord of glory. 4,5 The first voice blesses the Lord of Spirits forever and ever. And the second voice I heard blessing 6 the Elect One and the elect ones who hang upon the Lord of Spirits. And the third voice I heard pray and intercede for those who dwell on the earth and supplicate in the name of the Lord of Spirits. 7 And I heard the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord 8 of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: 'Who are these four presences which I have 9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?' And he said to me: 'This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.' 10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Human beings need sleep. The people in heaven do not require sleep.[/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

Oh, deer in the headlights. Not even a question.

 

[CherubRam]

Bumping for comments.

 

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]Angel Messenger[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Strong's Concordance[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hebrew[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]malak: a messenger[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Original Word: מַלְאָך
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: malak
Phonetic Spelling: (mal-awk')
Short Definition: angel[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Strong's Concordance[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Greek[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]aggelos: an angel, messenger[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Short Definition: an angel, messenger
Definition: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]NAS Exhaustive Concordance[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
a messenger[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]NASB Translation
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ambassadors (2), angel (101), angels (9), envoys (1), messenger (24), messengers (76.)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The word “Angel-s” is from the Pagan religion. The word “Angel” is not a concept of Orthodox Judaism.[/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

Angels or Messengers
Colossians 2
18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.

Acts 23:8
(The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither (angels / messengers) nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)

Hebrews 2:16
For surely it is not (angels / messengers) he helps, but Abraham’s descendants.

Hebrews 12:22
But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of (angels / messengers) in joyful assembly,

Hebrews 13:2
Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to (angels / messengers) without knowing it.

 

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]Angel in ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hebrew[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]מַלְאָךְ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]‎ malakh, plural malakhim) is a messenger of God, an envoy or messenger in general who appears throughout the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hebrew Bible[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Rabbinic literature, and traditional Jewish liturgy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Etymology[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hebrew "mal'akh" (מַלְאָךְ) is the standard Hebrew Bible word for "messenger", both human and divine, though it is less used for human messengers in Modern Hebrew. In the King James Bible the noun malakh is rendered as "angel" 111x, "messenger" 98x, "ambassadors" 4x, The noun derives from the verbal [/FONT][FONT=&quot]consonantal root[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (ל-א-ך), meaning "to send". This root is attested in Hebrew only in this noun, and in the noun "Melakha" (מְלָאכָה), meaning "work". The term "Mal'akh" therefore simply means one who is sent, even when applied to humans; for instance, "Mal'akh" is the root of the name of the prophet [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Malachi[/FONT][FONT=&quot], whose name means "my messenger".[/FONT]
Scholar Michael D. Coogan notes that it is only in the late books that the terms "come to mean the benevolent semidivine beings familiar from later mythology and art."

Angels are found in Sumerian, Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian and Greek writings. It is well known that ancient Sumerian texts pre-dating the Hebrew bible included the idea of the existence of angels.

Though maybe called different names, benevolant spirit beings similar to angels can also be found within other religions, mythologies, and lore. Hinduism has avatars, Buddhism has devas and bodhisattvas, the Greeks wrote about daimons, and other spirit beings similar to angels, such as guardian spirits and spirit guides, which have been taught by tribal cultures. All of these have similar functions as helpful spirit messengers, or angels.

 

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]The reality is this from a biblical perspective. A messenger of God is a person either here on earth, or from the Kingdom of God. The number of wings is symbolic of status, nothing more. The difference being, a real person, or Pagan mythology. The same messengers who have four wings here on earth later have six wings in heaven.[/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]Numbers 21:5.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the desert? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!"
6. Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died.

Jude 5. Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6. And the [angels / messengers] who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.


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[CherubRam]

#1. The word-s messenger-s is translated as Angel-s. #2. Messenger-s can be a person-s from the Kingdom of God or a person-s born here. #3. Wings symbolizes status and are not literal. #4. The messenger-s who have 4 wings here on earth are the same person-s who later have 6 wings in the Kingdom of God. Seraph-s are Seraphim-s which means, "Beings of Fire." It is parabolic for "Beings of Judgement." Cherub-s are Cherubim-s which means "Highest Guardian or Spiritual Beings." The Seraphim in Isaiah 6 are the same person-s in Revelation, translated as "Beasts" or Creature-s. The correct translation should be "Living Being-s."

 

[CherubRam]

Fantasies and Paganism may be more fun or interesting, but it is not what Christianity is about. I do not know what I can do to pry you guys from the breast.

John 4:23
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

2 Timothy 4:4
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

1 John 4:6
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

1 John 2:4
Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.

 

[CherubRam]

Is there anyone who liked the info provided in this thread?