jsanford108
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Before we initiate this discussion, allow us to outline some standards and principles productive to progressive discussion.
We must be open and honest. "Open," meaning that we are not close-minded to new evidence, or views that we have not considered/heard of before. A closed mind will never grow in knowledge. We must also be honest. If we deny anything that is contrary to our personal doctrines, solely because it is aggravating to our views, then we are being intellectually dishonest.
We must also be logical. Logic is always true. God, as the author of logic, makes it truth. One would not say that God is illogical, as that would be antagonistic to God. Likewise, we should always accept logic as highlighting truth.
We must accept truth, as anything else is a falsehood. Denying, ignoring, or dismissing facts and evidence is preferring ignorance. As stated before, this keeps one from growing in the knowledge of truth. Something that is contradictory to evidence is thus illogical.
By maintaining these principles, we can keep each other in check, as any deviation can be quickly and easily proven, by an individual's own words and claims.
Let us begin:
God's Truth, you posted a few points in the thread, "The Most Dangerous Teaching." While I would say that several of your points were accurate, I find several are false. Here, I will only be addressing those that apply to Catholicism (spoiler alert: I am Catholic). Below are your quotes; I would also ask that any further points that you would like to address be mentioned early on, so that we can reference them quite quickly, with precision and accuracy.
As I am sure you have more, please provide them. I would like to go ahead and make the point that we agree that the Bible is the infallible, inspired Word of God. (I posted this the other day in ECT, but somehow it disappeared; conspiracies abound). I will make my rebuttal once you give the go ahead that all your points you wish to discuss are posted.
The floor is yours God's Truth. Thanks you.
We must be open and honest. "Open," meaning that we are not close-minded to new evidence, or views that we have not considered/heard of before. A closed mind will never grow in knowledge. We must also be honest. If we deny anything that is contrary to our personal doctrines, solely because it is aggravating to our views, then we are being intellectually dishonest.
We must also be logical. Logic is always true. God, as the author of logic, makes it truth. One would not say that God is illogical, as that would be antagonistic to God. Likewise, we should always accept logic as highlighting truth.
We must accept truth, as anything else is a falsehood. Denying, ignoring, or dismissing facts and evidence is preferring ignorance. As stated before, this keeps one from growing in the knowledge of truth. Something that is contradictory to evidence is thus illogical.
By maintaining these principles, we can keep each other in check, as any deviation can be quickly and easily proven, by an individual's own words and claims.
Let us begin:
God's Truth, you posted a few points in the thread, "The Most Dangerous Teaching." While I would say that several of your points were accurate, I find several are false. Here, I will only be addressing those that apply to Catholicism (spoiler alert: I am Catholic). Below are your quotes; I would also ask that any further points that you would like to address be mentioned early on, so that we can reference them quite quickly, with precision and accuracy.
Here is a scripture that exposes the Catholic Religion.
Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Catholics have a Pope. Pope means 'father'. The Catholics even call their Pope 'Holy Father'. 'Holy Father' is a name reserved for God. Not only do the Catholic parishioners call the Pope and priests ‘father,’ the Pope and priests call each other 'father'. Jesus said not to call any one on earth 'father' and that they are all brothers in Christ. There are many other false doctrines in the Catholic religion, but starting from the top of their religion--- the Pope, that should be enough to stop there with that religion.
Here is one scripture to show that infant baptism is not biblical.
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
An infant cannot repent. Many denominations perform infant baptisms. The way to salvation changes by infant baptism. Infant baptism is not biblical. Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, a sect of Methodists, and Reformed denominations perform infant baptisms; they preach this falseness, which is a damaging blow to those needing the truth.
Here is one scripture to show that baptism is by immersion.
Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Baptism represents how a believer equates his life with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Our old person is to die and be buried with Jesus through baptism into death. We are buried with the water, and raised out of the water, raised to live a new life through Jesus.
Picture how baptism looks…the believer comes to make the pledge to God, to die to the sins of the world; so now standing in the water the believer falls back, as if dead; then, the believer goes under the water, buried; then, the believer rises up out of the water, raises up to live a new life.
As I am sure you have more, please provide them. I would like to go ahead and make the point that we agree that the Bible is the infallible, inspired Word of God. (I posted this the other day in ECT, but somehow it disappeared; conspiracies abound). I will make my rebuttal once you give the go ahead that all your points you wish to discuss are posted.
The floor is yours God's Truth. Thanks you.