A New Heaven And A New Earth
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It depends on your understanding of heavens and earth.
In the old way the heavens are the mind and every man has some Land.
2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Messiah, he is a new creation-creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are faithful and true.
Therefore put off the old man and put on the mind of Messiah, (Testimony of Yeshua).
I don't follow this.It depends on your understanding of heavens and earth.
In the old way the heavens are the mind and every man has some Land.
2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Messiah, he is a new creation-creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are faithful and true.
Therefore put off the old man and put on the mind of Messiah, (Testimony of Yeshua).
Wick Stick
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I interpret "the heavens and the earth" as referring to the Hebrew nation. "The heavens" are the nobility and governors - the "small e" elohim. The earth are the people - the sons of adam - and adam means dirt.
New heavens and new earth means a new government and a new people. The new government is the kingdom of God ushered in by Jesus, and the Jews are set to the side so that "no people" can become sons of the Living God.
Jarrod
New heavens and new earth means a new government and a new people. The new government is the kingdom of God ushered in by Jesus, and the Jews are set to the side so that "no people" can become sons of the Living God.
Jarrod
I don't follow you.
Wick Stick
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Are the new heaven and new earth a different subject from the kingdom of God or God's kingdom? Not necessarily the same thing. We would need to prove it by scripture.Of course it does not happen yet. No wicked will reside in God's kingdom which is new heaven and new earth..
This is what God's people are waiting for.
I'm not sure what you mean here.
A follower and one who follows are different. To follow an argument or a train of thought was the subject. I believe you were presenting an idea. It's okay.
What does, "I know it isn't." mean?
Lord's prayer: "our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..."
It seems to be talking about God's kingdom and it will be coming which is new heaven and new earth..
Not necessarily. We need to read scripture and find where in scripture it speaks of the new heaven and new earth. Then you can see if the context is God's kingdom.
Mind and heart, heaven and earth, throne of Elohim and throne of David.
suit yourself.
I'm not sure what you are talking about, but it does not fit my thinking (cannot be attributed to how I am thinking).
Do you believe God's kingdom is yet to come? At least one verse recently seemed to indicate so.
But I wasn't thinking God's kingdom when I started this thread.
Of course I do. That's the point of salvation.
You do know of the Lord's prayer. He taught His disciples to pray.
When is the kingdom of God?
People pray that God's kingdom would come on earth as it is in heaven.
Can the kingdom of God be experienced here on earth? Is the kingdom of God to be experienced by believers after which point they die?
Thessalonians and Corinthians speak of the dead in Christ will rise first, then those who are alive will rise. To meet Him in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 NASB - 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
But I was wondering about the kingdom of God in relation to eternal life. And when eternal life begins, here and now or in the future following death... for those who believe.
These are different discussions from that about the new heaven and new earth from scripture and the Bible.
Maybe applicable. Maybe the hope we have in Christ. I'm not sure. I have thought of this verse before.