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Okay, so "we're not born again", you say? That's all I need to know. The only thing I would correct in that statement is that YOU'RE not born again; for I know I am. So, leave me out of your fantasies, thank you. With that, I will leave you to play in the muck and mire of the darkness of your...

Who is "us"? Got a mouse in your pocket? And no, I'm not antiabortionist; I'm a pro-lifer. Likewise, I'm not an anti-dispensationalist;, I'm a lover of the truth (2Thesd 2:10) and rejoice in it (1Cor 13:6), which makes me a pro-truther, I suppose. So, see how your "silly rhetorical...

This text doesn't prove what you say. Everyone comes into this world in Adam, and therefore all of us as enemies of God (Rom 5:10) in time and space. But pertaining to election which took place in eternity before the world began, God viewed all his chosen ones as pure and spotless and holy and...

Well, because if you gave me a simple, straightforward, honest answer I would know whether or not I wish to continue this discussion with you. That's why.

So what? You should read Romans 9-11 more carefully. It's never been the natural descendants of Abraham who have been regarded as his offspring; it's only the [spiritual] "children of the promise"! No go back and re-read Rom 4 and Gal 3 about who has Abraham for a father! Any Jew or...

I have one question to ask you: I perceive that you have a theological agenda to protect/advance. Are you you a dispensationalist by chance?

The NC has everything to do with the Gentile nations. See my previous post. ALL NC believer's have Abraham for our spiritual father. That makes every NC Gentile believer a spiritual Jew! By he way, Paul taught this!

The New Covenant is not the Law of Moses. The beginning of the end of the OC was at the Cross when God showed the Jews that there is a NEW way to Him (Mat 27:51; Mk 15:38; Jn 19:23), and the Mosiac Law Covenant game to its final and ignoble end in 70 A.D. with the destruction of Jerusalem, the...

Sorry 'bout that. But while I'm here and thinking about your appeal to the Abrahamic Covenant, another thought occurred to me. Did Jesus ratify that covenant in his precious blood, or was that covenant ratified in the blood of animals, which can never take away sins? Jesus fulfilled the...

If they're under grace, then they are in a new covenant relationship with their Messiah. The NC is precisely a covenant of Grace and Truth (Jn 1:17) -- Jesus being the embodiment of both and the new covenant.

No, you're not saved under the Abrahamic Covenant either. The terms of that covenant required physical circumcision of all Abraham's natural descendants, OR any Gentile who wanted to attach himself to the Jews and their religion. All Christians are covered by the blood of the New Covenant that...

Then no one is saved today. The covenant Jesus ratified in his own blood is the New Covenant. It is by the blood of THAT covenant by which many will be saved. The logical inference to your theology is that you are not saved, since you categorically reject being in a personal, intimate...

You didn't answer my question: Are messianic believers today (right now) in the new covenant relationship with God or not? The only things that are [very] different are the Old and New Covenants.

Well, I guess per Mat 26:27-29, you will definitely not be drinking the "fruit of the vine" anew with Jesus in his Father's kingdom. After all, it is the "blood of the covenant" which is "poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins". If you're not washed clean of your sins by the blood of...

Per Jer 31:31ff, the NC is unlike the Old. And I might add -- different in many ways and different qualitatively, as well. For example, the OC was bilateral in nature; whereas the NC is unilateral with respect to the redeemed. On the other hand, since Christ is the Federal Head of his Father's...

Yes! It applies to Gentiles as well, since Christ himself is the embodiment of the New Covenant (Isa 42:6; 49:8); therefore, by virtue of our union with him through the Holy Spirit, all Gentile believers are in a covenant relationship with the Father through the Son by the Holy Spirit.

Hi, I'm newbie here but an ol' geezer in the faith <g>. We don't tell the difference between the two. The point to the passage is in 1Cor 11:28. It has to do with self-examination. (See also 2Cor 13:5).

Hello, I'm Rufus and hail from Swampland (a/k/a South Florida). I'm brand new here. Been a born again child of God for over 40 years, hold to the Reformed Traditions (for the most part) and to New Covenant Theology.