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They witness to us, not witness us doing things. In other words, their lives are a testimony of faith to encourage us to have like faith.

Please reread my previous post, where I listed some things.

Well, Abraham had some early-gospel-of-grace material to draw from, like that God would bless the gentiles through his seed, that his seed was promised, that his seed was to be sacrificed. I'm more referring to those who never heard even that there was a salvation. Maybe there is no such group...

You shouldn't have asked that. She loves to reiterate her pet theory.

I agree. What I don't understand is how the gospel can be the deciding factor if their are people that don't ever hear it. Of if some people (a lot, using your scenario) hear it thru supernatural means (not from other believers), why is the primary means of saving people considered to be from...

But that makes it seem like there are either some who don't hear the gospel, but are saved anyway, or that there is no such thing as an unreached person.

Does that mean those who never hear the gospel are saved, because they never rejected Christ?

Less carbon 14 in the atmosphere when the dinosaurs were alive would skew the results to the older side.

Calvinists have to live their lives as if Calvinism isn't true. So why is it necessary to them?

My point is that if the destroying is done by someone other than Jesus, and Jesus says "I have the power to lay down my life", then the same thing can (and probably should) apply to the resurrection when Jesus says "I have the power to take it up again." Can we at least agree that Jesus did not...

Good question. I would say it means actively participating in the mechanism of death, at least for this discussion. Eg., if you pull the trigger, even if someone else is holding the gun. That's astute of you. I'm not sure that's true. The average human being would probably think there is some...

One would have to be both honest and moral to do that.

There are two parts of Jesus' point, dealing with 1. His death, and 2. His resurrection. His laying down of His life is not suicide. He doesn't take His own life, but He goes to His death by other parties willingly. Do you agree so far? Yet He He says he lays it down "of himself". So "of...

Be careful. The logic you're using suggests Jesus killed Himself, too. We know that didn't happen. So the wording of the verse, using "power" (sometimes translated "authority") is not that He was able to kill Himself, but that He offered His life willingly. And the power to take it up again says...

I think you will find the definition holds even in secular topics. Faith includes stuff like sitting down in a chair--you expect it will hold you. Sometimes our faith can be placed in untested powers (like a chair you've just constructed), but not at all unknowingly. Sometimes the powers are not...

Not "unknowns", but "unrealizeds". Faith is that the higher power you trust will be able to accomplish the things He said He would.

So you're saying that this: ---Job 1:6 KJV — Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.--- Means that people (men) are presenting themselves before God? And Satan is among the men? It makes me think you're the one with the...

If it did, then Satan would have sound reasoning.

Either way, you both think men were doomed before the bible says they existed.

You mean, because that's all the good it's doing? You should then question your presuppositions.