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Yes, the point of the example was not to suggest that you have said that, rather the point is moot, because I was worried that you were offended by my questions, but you tell me you are not. I was fascinated by this idea of children not needing to be saved, but you didn't seem to want to go...

Hi Clete, I think it's time to talk about my purpose here. I am trying the understand the theology here, inasmuch as there is a unified theology at TOL. And I think I have made progress. Some of the revelations have been fascinating. Sometimes I bring up ideas that seem to conflict with the...

Rhema, You would agree, however, that the Gospel of John states that the disciples and Jesus did not eat the Passover meal, no? Do you think there's anything to the idea that John, the only gospel writer to use the "Lamb of God" motif, wanted to emphasize that motif by having Jesus die at the...

Hi Clete, What a great post! Very clear to me! I agree totally with that! The question is not whether God is just or not, I never said that God is unjust. God is just. However, it is possible that God doesn't torment people for eternity, if you accept the possibility that the...

I wrote: I just cannot accept the idea that stealing a cookie from the cookie jar is worthy of eternal torment. Nonsense! Even you admitted that there were Christians who disagreed on eternal torment. There are Christian annihilationists who would agree with my statement, and certainly would...

Thanks for the citation. Unfortunately, it does not address the differences between the gospels, including the main difference, whether Christ was crucified at noon on the day of Preparation (with the Passover meal in the evening) as John says, or at 9 AM in the morning after the Passover meal...

I found a short video (less than 6 minutes) with a nice young Christian man explaining the meaning of the word "death" in the Bible. In six minutes, he touches on many of the subjects of this entire thread! It is interesting to me because he agrees with some things I have been saying. Of...

Well, here we just have to "agree to disagree". I just cannot accept the idea that stealing a cookie from the cookie jar is worthy of eternal torment. Clete may also say that I'm saying that God is unjust, but no, I'm saying that God would never do such an absurd and unnecessarily cruel...

Hi Y'all, The Gospel of Mark (and the other Synoptic Gospels) has Jesus being crucified after Passover, yet John has Jesus crucified before. For anyone not familiar with this biblical curiosity, I'll run through the passages. It helps to remember that for the Jews, a new day begins when it...

Many thanks, JudgeRightly, for your straightforward reply. It has considerably reduced my confusion. This is very clear and unorthodox. I had never heard of this interpretation, that Adam and Eve eating the fruit was not the cause of their physical death. It does seem that as long as they...

I wrote: "In short, we all deserve physical death!" Well, all I can do is tell you my position. If I say, "I take position x", and you say, "No you don't, you take a different position", there's not much I can say, is there? If you show me in anything that I've written that you interpret as...

Hi Clete , Well, when interpreting what the Bible is saying, @JudgeRightly earlier answered the question quite clearly. I agree entirely with JudgeRightly's statement. In short, we all deserve physical death! Physical death is a consequence of our sins and we deserve physical death. Do you...

So I responded that the list is not talking about physical death. I'm sorry I misinterpreted your statement above to mean that it wasn't physical death you were talking about. I make a lot of mistakes like that! Yes, you said, "It isn't physical death that we're talking about Gary". Yes...

Dear Clete, Thank you for your reply. As you know, I sometimes have trouble interpreting your answers. And I think that I've got too many questions going here, so maybe it will be easier for you if I stick to just one simple question which stems from the statement on the list which is: We...

Rhema, go ahead and post what you want on this thread. I don't seem to have any trouble finding notes addressed to me. I withdraw my request to stick to the general themes established so far. Gary

That's good. It is more than a passing interest, I would agree with that. I would rather not go into all the reasons I don't accept many of the truth claims of conservative Protestantism, nor other forms of Christianity, nor other religions, etc. And I'm sure you wouldn't want to hear all...

Hi Clete, Well, I'm afraid that to come to this forum pretending to be very knowledgeable about hell or the Bible in general would be an even bigger pretense! I don't think that there was any place that I pretended to know very little about hell in this thread. But I am largely self-taught...

I'm waiting on pins and needles!

Well, we should probably pause here and get this straightened out. I'm not two people and you say the only alternative is that I am a liar. So what statement(s) have I made knowing that the statement was false and yet I asserted it as though it were true. Thanks for your reply, Gary