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    The plot of Job requires an unsettled future

    Is it your view that the Lord is just acting when He blames Satan for inciting Him?
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    The plot of Job requires an unsettled future

    In the analogy, "the falling man" represents God, and His inevitable falling represents God's eternal decree (classical theism / Plato-Christianity), meticulously planned in eternity-past to the nth degree so that everything that happens is inevitable and the future is entirely closed, set in...
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    The plot of Job requires an unsettled future

    Perhaps this re-frame will help: A man is falling inside of a large, infinitely deep hole without a parachute. He has reached terminal velocity. He is currently falling and his next move is to continue falling. Falling is inevitable for the man. He is currently falling, and he knows he will...
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    The plot of Job requires an unsettled future

    By definition, it wouldn't be incitement.
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    The plot of Job requires an unsettled future

    Wouldn't be incitement.
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    The plot of Job requires an unsettled future

    If you want to object to my thread, please tell me your unobvious take on the meaning of words I quoted. The proof of my thread is the obvious comprehension: That God was incited by Satan to destroy Job for being superficially faithful, which Job was not. What's the definition of incited...
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    The plot of Job requires an unsettled future

    What do God's words mean to you? "...you incited me against him, to destroy him for no good reason."
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    The plot of Job requires an unsettled future

    Is the Lord just acting when He blames Satan? ... >Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? No one else on earth is like him, a man of perfect integrity, who fears God and turns away from evil. He still retains his integrity, even though you incited me against him, to...
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    The plot of Job requires an unsettled future

    Job was a real person, though (Ezekiel 14:14). So it wasn't really like a parable (because it actually happened), and the theological implications remain.
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    The plot of Job requires an unsettled future

    The core plot premise of the Book of Job: Both God and Satan do not know what Job will do in response to a future change of circumstances. The plot falls apart if one or the other knows the future freewill actions of creatures. Would one of you please ask Chris Fisher to do a YouTube video on...
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    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    I love watching Chris Fisher debate, and I would love to meet him someday if he is ever vacationing down in Florida (where I live). My favorite debate (that I have seen so far) was when Chris and Will teamed up against a couple of Arminians.
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    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    Thank you for this. I will watch it.
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    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    To me it seems transparently dishonest. They know the Open Theist has a strong point, so instead of considering it and *gasp* possibly repenting of their classical theism, they essentially appeal to ignorance and avoid conceding a point. Any advice in how to respond to such cases is greatly...
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    Joining Open Theism Forum

    Thank you!!
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    Will Duffy Cross-Examines Matt Slick Pt. 2

    Thank you so much!!
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    Joining Open Theism Forum

    @Sherman can I join the Open Theism forum? It says it is private. When I try to click on it, I get an error message. Any help is greatly appreciated. 🙏
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    Will Duffy Cross-Examines Matt Slick Pt. 2

    It may just be my user error, but prior to logging on I was able to see posts that were labeled "Open Theism" at the top of the screen where it currently says "Bob Enyart Live." Once I've logged-in, however, I can't pull up the list of 33 types of open theism verses that Jefferson recently...
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    Will Duffy Cross-Examines Matt Slick Pt. 2

    Hi Jefferson! I'm new here, but I am a fan of Will Duffy's work. How do I join the Open Theism forum?
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