You posted it and I think you know. You said you're not saying that. I thought it was good enough, but maybe not.
On the omniscience of God
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Bladerunner
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Clete sometimes you surprise even me. all of the above I agree with you except the very last sentence..For only 8 people of the world survived Noah's Flood and only Lot and His family left Gomorrah while the rest were destroyed. All of both sites that died, went to Hell according to the WORD of God.
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Right and wrong are absolutes. I think all know this and deny it from evil in their heart, or the dead flesh.
And then there is the petty stuff as seen in the Jim Carrey movie Bruce Almighty.
Never saw it so I don't understand the reference.
Why?
Do you mean "what does that mean?" Because they are. That is what an absolute is.
It is absolutely wrong for a certain Saudi Arabian citizen to hijack a commercial airline and crash it into a building. Even if the building was full of pedophiles. If there was no God, it is still wrong. Your conscience tells you.
Try "prayer scene" for Bruce Almighty on Youtube.
Something like this would be the petty stuff.
Derf
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If both the plane and the building were full of pedophiles, and only pedophiles, and the hijacker were a government employee fighting to bring justice for minors who had been raped and murdered, would it wrong.
Yes.
I mean that to simply say that it's absolutely wrong doesn't make it so. It's easy to make the claim but can you make the argument?
I'm not disagreeing with you but am prodding you to make the argument.
What is it that makes something right or wrong?
Derf
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Why?
Bladerunner
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"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." (Rom 12:19)
Derf
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Romans 13:4 KJV — For he (the ruler or government) is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he (the ruler or government) is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Acting outside of his authority.
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What if a vigilante(s) kill him that doeth evil? Is the vigilante party also a minister of God to thee for good? Is God thereby executing wrath upon him that doeth evil? Or, instead, did God thereby just get forever cheated out of a prerogative to -- by killing him that doeth evil at such and such time and place, and by means of such and such instrumentality as He would have chosen -- execute wrath upon him that doeth evil?
What if the dearly beloved do avenge themselves, though, thereby not rather giving place unto wrath? Is that vengeance God's? Is the Lord repaying through/by means of the dearly beloveds' avenging themselves? Or, did the dearly beloved just cheat the Lord out of vengeance that is His?
And, I would note that (as it seems to me, at least) Paul's imperative to the dearly beloved to not avenge themselves would indicate that the dearly beloved actually could/can* avenge -- and perhaps have avenged -- themselves on occasion.
*And be sure to not misread "can", here, as "should" or as "can by right" or "can righteously".
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Derf
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If he's part of the government, then isn't it within his authority, assuming it's the right part of the government?
Derf
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Once you call him a vigilante, you define him as being outside of the proper authority. But a "hijacker" who hijacks a plane being flown by a criminal and full of criminals, could be a government operative who is vested by the state to commandeer the plane and kill the criminals.
Just because someone is part of the government doesn't mean he has the authority to intentionally kill a bunch of criminals without due process.