Meh, I logged in anonymous and read Clete. He hasn't changed a whit. He cannot even remember I posted substantially in the Summit Clock Experiment (with proofs). Help me out: Is debate something you really want in Bob Enyart Live? Maybe that's the problem. I just can't do threads when they get this nasty. All the things I've a problem with regarding Clete, like a self-fullfilling prophecy, he's displayed in thread, including inane posturing. Next? He tried to apply it to all of you? Well no, I don't have the same disdain for the rest of Open Theology, because the rest of you aren't this bad. However, how can this particular thread move along now? I think its best if I just delete my posts and let the mess lie. Aside from the content that should be there pro and con concerning a meaningful discussion of time, it hasn't gone that direction and I'm not pleased with my posts there either. The challenge was to discuss time. The majority of Christianity disagrees with you guys. I thought you'd like to know why. I had dug up articles but my saying 'wrong' is incredibly different than 'liar' etc. It just has become, imho, an ugly blight on TOL with that kind of talk. You laughed, but this is it: Imho, it makes him unsuitable for debate or discussions on TOL. Perhaps it'd be a good idea, especially now that I know what he's been saying, if I deleted my posts and called it a day. It just isn't worth it, for me, I don't think for you, for Jefferson, or Bob Enyart, let alone Clete or myself. -Lon